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YC16: FetusImplants.io - we are hiring ! On a more serious note. Things like this is great if done correctly. If an professional industry can be grown around

by 1971genocide 12y ago

YC16: FetusImplants.io - we are hiring ! On a more serious note. Things like this is great if done correctly. If an professional industry can be grown around child care, I think its better than having parents do infinite amount of harm to their kids. However its almost ridiculous that society is heading that way. One of the foundation of society is the relationship between parents and their kids. That relationship develops in early childhood. I think parents in hong kong are taking life way too seriously - what are you gaining out of it ? Does it matter that your city is twice as performant as new-york or shanghai. My grandmother still lives by global standards below the global proverty line by income. And she has the most chilled life I have seen. Ofcourse if your country is ravaged by malaria or violence then there is something that needs to be done. Humans are not machines - we have computers now for that. Human creativity pays itself and creativity comes from boredom and self learing. Also being from a culture similar to hong- kong. these types of things instil a sense of "FUCK YOU IF YOU FAIL!" This is very counterproductive attitude to have if you expect to be part of the social chain of invention from galileo and newton.

stdbrouw 12y ago
> If an professional industry can be grown around child care, I think its better than having parents do infinite amount of harm to their kids. We know that if you drink lots of alcohol while pregnant, you're going to harm your child. We also know that if you are abusive towards your children, they might end up with all sorts of psychological trauma. But beyond that? Different parenting strategies probably have an effect on a kid's emotional and intellectual development, but the jury is still out on exactly how much of an effect and exactly what, then, the best parenting strategy is. So, doing an "infinite amount of harm" to your kids because you're somehow not a professional at raising kids? I don't think that's even possible. -- but anyway, I very much agree with the main point of your comment; society seems to increasingly want to turn people into robots.
- vgabios 12y ago
  Parents have to do a cost/benefit estimate and ask themselves rhetorically: are they social climbing through the kids "keeping up with the Jones'" and investing (or wasting) a large fraction of disposable income creating spoiled kids or creating lasting benefit? Could also be helicopter parenting meets academic overpressure, however there may be some value if subsequent schools look at, or are biased by, pedigree. That monoculture of demonstrated rarity which is a function of self-reinforcing exclusivity, i.e., just look at ASW. The likelihood of schools and other communal gatherings devolve into picky cliques is no surprise: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-social/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-...
- rayiner 12y ago
  Drinking during pregnancy is actually a good microcosm of parenting as a whole. The effect of light to moderate drinking during pregnancy on child IQ and attention is pretty much nonexistent: http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/key-findings-alcohol-use.html http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/key-findings-alcohol-use.html. And even among alcoholics, the probability of FAS is around 5%. Even pre-natal cocaine exposure isn't all its cracked up to be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure. Kids are surprisingly resilient, and the weight of the scientific evidence we have suggests that once confounding factors like socioeconomic status are accounted for, parenting choices don't have a large impact on at least the objectively measurable aspects of outcomes (e.g. IQ, test scores, attention span).
  - gdubs 12y ago
    I remember hearing a story of a mom flying on a French airline. They were liberal with the wine, but freaked out when she wanted a raw salad. Every culture is different when it comes to parenting :)
  - aidenn0 12y ago
    Early neglect and abuse have significant impacts on kids. Prenatal exposure to heroin is pretty gnarly too. It's actually surprising how horrible the effects of neglect (especially during the first 24 months) is on kids. You're probably worse off as a kid if your mother didn't do drugs during pregnancy, but then is too high to consistently take care of you for the next two years. [edit] Also if your parent does anything to put you in the foster care system in the first 3 years of your life; the system tends to move kids around a lot, and sudden changes to the primary caregiver between 6 months and 3 years significantly increases the risk for attachment disorders.
sz4kerto 12y ago
> On a more serious note. Things like this is great if done correctly. No, it's not great. Children should play, first and foremost. And not just when they're 2.5 -- even when they are 10. > f an professional industry can be grown around child care, I think its better than having parents do infinite amount of harm to their kids. In general, parents don't do infinite harm. They tend to love their kids -- a professional child carer won't. What's wrong with you, people?

stdbrouw 12y ago

> If an professional industry can be grown around child care, I think its better than having parents do infinite amount of harm to their kids. We know that if you drink lots of alcohol while pregnant, you're going to harm your child. We also know that if you are abusive towards your children, they might end up with all sorts of psychological trauma. But beyond that? Different parenting strategies probably have an effect on a kid's emotional and intellectual development, but the jury is still out on exactly how much of an effect and exactly what, then, the best parenting strategy is. So, doing an "infinite amount of harm" to your kids because you're somehow not a professional at raising kids? I don't think that's even possible. -- but anyway, I very much agree with the main point of your comment; society seems to increasingly want to turn people into robots.

vgabios 12y ago
Parents have to do a cost/benefit estimate and ask themselves rhetorically: are they social climbing through the kids "keeping up with the Jones'" and investing (or wasting) a large fraction of disposable income creating spoiled kids or creating lasting benefit? Could also be helicopter parenting meets academic overpressure, however there may be some value if subsequent schools look at, or are biased by, pedigree. That monoculture of demonstrated rarity which is a function of self-reinforcing exclusivity, i.e., just look at ASW. The likelihood of schools and other communal gatherings devolve into picky cliques is no surprise: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-social/ http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-...
rayiner 12y ago
Drinking during pregnancy is actually a good microcosm of parenting as a whole. The effect of light to moderate drinking during pregnancy on child IQ and attention is pretty much nonexistent: http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/key-findings-alcohol-use.html http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/key-findings-alcohol-use.html. And even among alcoholics, the probability of FAS is around 5%. Even pre-natal cocaine exposure isn't all its cracked up to be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenatal_cocaine_exposure. Kids are surprisingly resilient, and the weight of the scientific evidence we have suggests that once confounding factors like socioeconomic status are accounted for, parenting choices don't have a large impact on at least the objectively measurable aspects of outcomes (e.g. IQ, test scores, attention span).
- gdubs 12y ago
  I remember hearing a story of a mom flying on a French airline. They were liberal with the wine, but freaked out when she wanted a raw salad. Every culture is different when it comes to parenting :)
- aidenn0 12y ago
  Early neglect and abuse have significant impacts on kids. Prenatal exposure to heroin is pretty gnarly too. It's actually surprising how horrible the effects of neglect (especially during the first 24 months) is on kids. You're probably worse off as a kid if your mother didn't do drugs during pregnancy, but then is too high to consistently take care of you for the next two years. [edit] Also if your parent does anything to put you in the foster care system in the first 3 years of your life; the system tends to move kids around a lot, and sudden changes to the primary caregiver between 6 months and 3 years significantly increases the risk for attachment disorders.

sz4kerto 12y ago

> On a more serious note. Things like this is great if done correctly. No, it's not great. Children should play, first and foremost. And not just when they're 2.5 -- even when they are 10. > f an professional industry can be grown around child care, I think its better than having parents do infinite amount of harm to their kids. In general, parents don't do infinite harm. They tend to love their kids -- a professional child carer won't. What's wrong with you, people?