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LWN comments are generally pretty polite, I am really surprised that those sort of comments happened recenently on LWN

by rdc12 11y ago

anonbanker 11y ago
when systemd/networkmanager/pulseaudio are involved, the freedesktop.org brigade comes to defend the honor of their favorite developers, and the discussion is effectively ruined. We can now probably add kdbus to the above list of volatile apps.
- bitwize 11y ago
  I think it's more like when systemd/networkmanager/pulseaudio are involved, the hater horde comes out to tear down the hard work of developers without offering any viable alternatives. Dbus is the future of system integration in Linux. Period. The Unix philosophy sucks; real integration is done with the COM philosophy of looking up and invoking services by name and sending messages and calling methods on them as they run. The reason why we even have a systemd is to integrate the essential system bits -- startup, device and service management, user login and session management, etc. with the dbus fabric, providing application developers with an API to call into them. Unfortunately it meant rewriting fucking everything, but Lennart, Kay, and company rolled up their sleeves, did the work, and got it pushed into mainstream distros. What the fuck have you done lately?
  - ehvatum 11y ago
    If I were Lennart, Kay, and company, I would not want the sort of "support" you are offering, here. If they do enjoy and encourage it, something is very wrong.
  - jude- 11y ago
    > hater horde comes out to tear down the hard work of developers without offering any viable alternatives. No comment on the "haters," but your argument precludes the possibility that some users are happy with their current installations, and do not want an alternative. > What the fuck have you done lately? I'm writing a udev replacement [1]. Not because I want to re-invent the wheel, but because the wheel I was using got taken away. [1] https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/vdev/blob/master/README.md https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/vdev/blob/ma...
    - anonbanker 11y ago
      Thank you for the hard work you are doing. Not very many are directly opposing Red Hat's dominance, but each one of you that do are making great strides in keeping linux (and GNU) free.
  - anonbanker 11y ago
    wow. you pretty much hit on all the standard systemd/Lennart-supporting talking points. The future supporters should use your template as a fantastic starting point. as for what I'm doing lately, I'm lurking in #systemd, watching you guys organize these reply-a-thons.

LWN comments are generally pretty polite, I am really surprised that those sort of comments happened recenently on LWN

by rdc12 11y ago

LWN comments are generally pretty polite, I am really surprised that those sort of comments happened recenently on LWN

when systemd/networkmanager/pulseaudio are involved, the freedesktop.org brigade comes to defend the honor of their favorite developers, and the discussion is effectively ruined. We can now probably add kdbus to the above list of volatile apps.

bitwize 11y ago
I think it's more like when systemd/networkmanager/pulseaudio are involved, the hater horde comes out to tear down the hard work of developers without offering any viable alternatives. Dbus is the future of system integration in Linux. Period. The Unix philosophy sucks; real integration is done with the COM philosophy of looking up and invoking services by name and sending messages and calling methods on them as they run. The reason why we even have a systemd is to integrate the essential system bits -- startup, device and service management, user login and session management, etc. with the dbus fabric, providing application developers with an API to call into them. Unfortunately it meant rewriting fucking everything, but Lennart, Kay, and company rolled up their sleeves, did the work, and got it pushed into mainstream distros. What the fuck have you done lately?
- ehvatum 11y ago
  If I were Lennart, Kay, and company, I would not want the sort of "support" you are offering, here. If they do enjoy and encourage it, something is very wrong.
- jude- 11y ago
  > hater horde comes out to tear down the hard work of developers without offering any viable alternatives. No comment on the "haters," but your argument precludes the possibility that some users are happy with their current installations, and do not want an alternative. > What the fuck have you done lately? I'm writing a udev replacement [1]. Not because I want to re-invent the wheel, but because the wheel I was using got taken away. [1] https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/vdev/blob/master/README.md https://git.devuan.org/pkgs-utopia-substitution/vdev/blob/ma...
  - anonbanker 11y ago
    Thank you for the hard work you are doing. Not very many are directly opposing Red Hat's dominance, but each one of you that do are making great strides in keeping linux (and GNU) free.
- anonbanker 11y ago
  wow. you pretty much hit on all the standard systemd/Lennart-supporting talking points. The future supporters should use your template as a fantastic starting point. as for what I'm doing lately, I'm lurking in #systemd, watching you guys organize these reply-a-thons.