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I was intentionally shaming him. The problem is becoming much more widespread and it's the product of simple laziness.

tomasien 12y ago
Supporting Firefox and IE are decisions. I choose not to do it until something I've built had had consistent usage for a few months. Then I spend the time and support them but it's a pain. I test on chrome and safari web and mobile (blankslate is not a good mobile experience mind you). I'll jump in and fix the known Firefox layout weirdness soon but it's not laziness, it's a choice. Instead of doing that I built a google docs integration and PDF converter, I felt that was more worthwhile. You don't, that's fine. As for the commenter saying he hacks my stuff, he has told me the problems and I appreciate it as I always do. He's always been a dick about it for some reason but that's his prerogative. I hope he keeps hacking what he thinks of as my projects (almost everything he's hacked before was something I was either re-coding or didn't code at all).
- Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
  This is your project? This is a choice, sure, but it's a choice to be lazy, at the expense of 10-20% (depending on your source) of users. It's probably higher still for a technical audience, which effectively removes IE and boosts Firefox through anti-google users.
personjerry 12y ago
I don't think shaming someone is an effective way to encourage them to create better quality software.
- piyush_soni 12y ago
  But I think it might still be a way to "discourage" them from being the same lazy next time or be unconcerned about their users' security (as the other user pointed out). IMO, public shaming, as a concept, works.
  - readme 12y ago
    That is pretentious thinking because to begin with it's really none of our business whether OP is lazy or diligent. The role expected of other HNers in a show HN post is to consume the work and provide some feedback. Not to dig deep and make assumptions about the OP's character without even knowing him. Hence my suggestion, keep it short: Example: "There's a bug on the contact page." Instead of "There are so many bugs in this application, I can't believe anyone would put it on the open Internet. It is just asking to be exploited." Each of us is an individual human being and none of us knows any better how to behave or live life than the stranger on the other end, especially after most of the details are stripped as we are communicating through a thin layer of text, much of reality is lost in translation here.
    - piyush_soni 12y ago
      >> "to begin with it's really none of our business whether OP is lazy or diligent" - Security is everyone's business. And people WILL criticize sloppy work in real life. IMO, as a user and as a developer, both the examples you've written would be fine by me. In fact even the second one seems polite to me, when compared to the reviews I have seen for bad apps. :).
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angrycoder 12y ago
> I was intentionally shaming him. So the rules of the site don't apply to you? I get that you are frustrated, but your tone makes people not care about the content of your message.
- Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
  I don't think it's gratuitous negativity. I think the response is gratuitous sensitivity. My comment communicated that (1) it doesn't work on Firefox, (2) this is an increasingly common problem, and (3) it frustrates me. Review the rules. I don't think my comment violated them and I think the response to my comment is an indicator that people have thinner skins every day.
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Supporting Firefox and IE are decisions. I choose not to do it until something I've built had had consistent usage for a few months. Then I spend the time and support them but it's a pain. I test on chrome and safari web and mobile (blankslate is not a good mobile experience mind you). I'll jump in and fix the known Firefox layout weirdness soon but it's not laziness, it's a choice. Instead of doing that I built a google docs integration and PDF converter, I felt that was more worthwhile. You don't, that's fine. As for the commenter saying he hacks my stuff, he has told me the problems and I appreciate it as I always do. He's always been a dick about it for some reason but that's his prerogative. I hope he keeps hacking what he thinks of as my projects (almost everything he's hacked before was something I was either re-coding or didn't code at all).

Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
This is your project? This is a choice, sure, but it's a choice to be lazy, at the expense of 10-20% (depending on your source) of users. It's probably higher still for a technical audience, which effectively removes IE and boosts Firefox through anti-google users.

personjerry 12y ago

I don't think shaming someone is an effective way to encourage them to create better quality software.

piyush_soni 12y ago
But I think it might still be a way to "discourage" them from being the same lazy next time or be unconcerned about their users' security (as the other user pointed out). IMO, public shaming, as a concept, works.
- readme 12y ago
  That is pretentious thinking because to begin with it's really none of our business whether OP is lazy or diligent. The role expected of other HNers in a show HN post is to consume the work and provide some feedback. Not to dig deep and make assumptions about the OP's character without even knowing him. Hence my suggestion, keep it short: Example: "There's a bug on the contact page." Instead of "There are so many bugs in this application, I can't believe anyone would put it on the open Internet. It is just asking to be exploited." Each of us is an individual human being and none of us knows any better how to behave or live life than the stranger on the other end, especially after most of the details are stripped as we are communicating through a thin layer of text, much of reality is lost in translation here.
  - piyush_soni 12y ago
    >> "to begin with it's really none of our business whether OP is lazy or diligent" - Security is everyone's business. And people WILL criticize sloppy work in real life. IMO, as a user and as a developer, both the examples you've written would be fine by me. In fact even the second one seems polite to me, when compared to the reviews I have seen for bad apps. :).
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angrycoder 12y ago

> I was intentionally shaming him. So the rules of the site don't apply to you? I get that you are frustrated, but your tone makes people not care about the content of your message.

Sir_Cmpwn 12y ago
I don't think it's gratuitous negativity. I think the response is gratuitous sensitivity. My comment communicated that (1) it doesn't work on Firefox, (2) this is an increasingly common problem, and (3) it frustrates me. Review the rules. I don't think my comment violated them and I think the response to my comment is an indicator that people have thinner skins every day.

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