14 ms·

Probably to win over the public by coming up with bizarre scenarios. Look at how many HN'ers think he shouldn't be punished. If you want to hack, you should dea

Probably to win over the public by coming up with bizarre scenarios. Look at how many HN'ers think he shouldn't be punished. If you want to hack, you should deal with the consequences. I don't see any problem here. Part of parole is continued punishment and to see if the person is serious about being a good citizen or not.

nickysielicki 12y ago
> If you want to hack, you should deal with the consequences. w0rmer got caught because he forgot to strip exif data from the bottom of one of his leaks. He had his girlfriend take her tits out with a sign saying, "You got pwned by w0rmer" and that was that. I couldn't disagree more that he deserves to be punished. He doxxed some police officers because of police brutality. Stop fearing 'hacking', and start realizing it's one of the few things where citizens are on equal grounding with our government. He didn't cause any damage, besides making some police officers feel uncomfortable... Yet probably not as uncomfortable as their victims. Each and every one of these idiot hackers willing to risk their livelihood and families for a little civil disobedience should be celebrated for the martyrs they are.
- lfowles 12y ago
  > Each and every one of these idiot hackers willing to risk their livelihood and families for a little civil disobedience should be celebrated for the martyrs they are. Reading TFA, it seems he's now unwilling to risk his livelihood and family now that he knows the consequences.
  - nickysielicki 12y ago
    Well duh... he's on constant monitoring by the FBI and he can't use the internet, how do you expect him to continue? He _did_ risk his family and livelihood, and he was without them for a time. Now he's not. I see no shame in that.
    - lfowles 12y ago
      Do you think that was having considered the consequences and judged his family and livelihood worth it or because he had the "I'm invincible" mindset?
      - nickysielicki 12y ago
        Probably a bit of both. What's your point?
- rhino369 12y ago
  You say martyr, I say maladjusted shut-in who couldn't find a productive outlet for his talent.
  - nickysielicki 12y ago
    Maybe he is. Maybe that's what I am, too. What do you mean by productive outlet for his talent? Maybe he didn't want to help VCs make a few more million a year, or contribute to those systems at all. I support hacktivists, and if you don't, that's your right. But I hope you realize how much FLOSS, and thus also Silicon Valley, are tied to this immature, 'unproductive' culture. For example, Sam Hocevar, the same one that you know for running the debian project, was the former president of the trolling group named 'Gay Nigger Association of America.' The spirit of hacking is doing things just because you can. If we only used computer skills to do productive things, where would we be today? I am just trying to say, I think this is necessary for computing culture to be as prolific as it is, and I think it's hilarious and awesome.
malka 12y ago
It can be hard to be a good citizen if the conditions of your parole prevent you from working. Given the conditions, this guy has been extremely lucky to land a job.
- rhino369 12y ago
  He doesn't have to be a programmer. If a cab driver kills a person while driving drunk, they just get a new job when they get out. One that doesn't involve driving.
  - JadeNB 12y ago
    On the other hand, many (all?) jobs require a background check, and it is possible for a felony conviction to tank your chances at any job, even in an unrelated field.
pyre 12y ago
> If you want to hack, you should deal with the consequences. You act as if there are no degrees of punishment. I could equally say that someone "sneaking" an orange across the border should face crucifixion, and defend this opinion with "well it's against the law, so deal with the consequences." Acting as if the "consequences" are some of natural law (and inarguable) isn't really facing the reality of the situation (they are created for humans, by humans, and therefore imperfect). > Part of parole is continued punishment and to see if the person is serious about being a good citizen or not. At the same time, do you want the parole officer acting like the kid in class that tries to trip you as you walk past their desk? If you get mad at the kid that trips you are you "not serious enough" about your education?

nickysielicki 12y ago

> If you want to hack, you should deal with the consequences. w0rmer got caught because he forgot to strip exif data from the bottom of one of his leaks. He had his girlfriend take her tits out with a sign saying, "You got pwned by w0rmer" and that was that. I couldn't disagree more that he deserves to be punished. He doxxed some police officers because of police brutality. Stop fearing 'hacking', and start realizing it's one of the few things where citizens are on equal grounding with our government. He didn't cause any damage, besides making some police officers feel uncomfortable... Yet probably not as uncomfortable as their victims. Each and every one of these idiot hackers willing to risk their livelihood and families for a little civil disobedience should be celebrated for the martyrs they are.

lfowles 12y ago
> Each and every one of these idiot hackers willing to risk their livelihood and families for a little civil disobedience should be celebrated for the martyrs they are. Reading TFA, it seems he's now unwilling to risk his livelihood and family now that he knows the consequences.
- nickysielicki 12y ago
  Well duh... he's on constant monitoring by the FBI and he can't use the internet, how do you expect him to continue? He _did_ risk his family and livelihood, and he was without them for a time. Now he's not. I see no shame in that.
  - lfowles 12y ago
    Do you think that was having considered the consequences and judged his family and livelihood worth it or because he had the "I'm invincible" mindset?
    - nickysielicki 12y ago
      Probably a bit of both. What's your point?
rhino369 12y ago
You say martyr, I say maladjusted shut-in who couldn't find a productive outlet for his talent.
- nickysielicki 12y ago
  Maybe he is. Maybe that's what I am, too. What do you mean by productive outlet for his talent? Maybe he didn't want to help VCs make a few more million a year, or contribute to those systems at all. I support hacktivists, and if you don't, that's your right. But I hope you realize how much FLOSS, and thus also Silicon Valley, are tied to this immature, 'unproductive' culture. For example, Sam Hocevar, the same one that you know for running the debian project, was the former president of the trolling group named 'Gay Nigger Association of America.' The spirit of hacking is doing things just because you can. If we only used computer skills to do productive things, where would we be today? I am just trying to say, I think this is necessary for computing culture to be as prolific as it is, and I think it's hilarious and awesome.

malka 12y ago

It can be hard to be a good citizen if the conditions of your parole prevent you from working. Given the conditions, this guy has been extremely lucky to land a job.

rhino369 12y ago
He doesn't have to be a programmer. If a cab driver kills a person while driving drunk, they just get a new job when they get out. One that doesn't involve driving.
- JadeNB 12y ago
  On the other hand, many (all?) jobs require a background check, and it is possible for a felony conviction to tank your chances at any job, even in an unrelated field.

pyre 12y ago

> If you want to hack, you should deal with the consequences. You act as if there are no degrees of punishment. I could equally say that someone "sneaking" an orange across the border should face crucifixion, and defend this opinion with "well it's against the law, so deal with the consequences." Acting as if the "consequences" are some of natural law (and inarguable) isn't really facing the reality of the situation (they are created for humans, by humans, and therefore imperfect). > Part of parole is continued punishment and to see if the person is serious about being a good citizen or not. At the same time, do you want the parole officer acting like the kid in class that tries to trip you as you walk past their desk? If you get mad at the kid that trips you are you "not serious enough" about your education?