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The only problem I have with keeping `-Wall` is that it's misleading. But, other than that, I don't mind keeping it around so long as there is an option that en

The only problem I have with keeping `-Wall` is that it's misleading. But, other than that, I don't mind keeping it around so long as there is an option that enables all warnings. And since 5.1 includes a few more fancy new warnings, it'd be great to see those added into this hypothetical `-Weverything` as well. But, the issue on their bugtracker for inclusion of this feature was opened during 4.8 and still hasn't been confirmed for a release to target… makes me SadInside™.

madez 11y ago
Misleading options and unnecessary inconsistencies should be frowned upon. They make it harder to learn a system and learning a system should be made as easy as possible. I'd consider consistency in regards to option availability, effect and syntax a top priority.
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- ycombobreaker 11y ago
  Learning a system is important, but it doesn't always warrant breaking existing systems. If GCC were to reject the -Wall argument, many projects which have used it for years would break and now need an extra GCC version-check embedded into their build tools. The gcc manpage would be an appropriate place for developers to document any preferred replacement for -Wall, for new projects. Anyone learning build tools is likely to hit the manpages, and anyone who learns-by-google is still likely to see it in HTML ports of the manpages.
  - madez 11y ago
    The libre and open software community is way too considerate with existing users. Combine that with anarchistic development and you get the inconsistent and complex mess we ended up with. Debian is _horrible_. And it will never be good without radical changes, possibly including changing options and syntax of commands, breaking API's and ABI's and breaking every running instance of it. Just look at basic commands. It's 'cp ifile ofile' but 'dd if=ifile of=ofile'. This one-of-many wart has to go, exiled together with all its siblings. Common shell languages like sh and it's children are nightmarish abominations, unintuitive and unsafe - they deserve to die in flames. We need change. A change for the better; for intuitiveness, for elegance, conformity, consistency, for learnability. Until then, Windows and Apples OS will stand a chance. Intelligent design is what we need, not only evolution.

madez 11y ago

Misleading options and unnecessary inconsistencies should be frowned upon. They make it harder to learn a system and learning a system should be made as easy as possible. I'd consider consistency in regards to option availability, effect and syntax a top priority.

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ycombobreaker 11y ago
Learning a system is important, but it doesn't always warrant breaking existing systems. If GCC were to reject the -Wall argument, many projects which have used it for years would break and now need an extra GCC version-check embedded into their build tools. The gcc manpage would be an appropriate place for developers to document any preferred replacement for -Wall, for new projects. Anyone learning build tools is likely to hit the manpages, and anyone who learns-by-google is still likely to see it in HTML ports of the manpages.
- madez 11y ago
  The libre and open software community is way too considerate with existing users. Combine that with anarchistic development and you get the inconsistent and complex mess we ended up with. Debian is _horrible_. And it will never be good without radical changes, possibly including changing options and syntax of commands, breaking API's and ABI's and breaking every running instance of it. Just look at basic commands. It's 'cp ifile ofile' but 'dd if=ifile of=ofile'. This one-of-many wart has to go, exiled together with all its siblings. Common shell languages like sh and it's children are nightmarish abominations, unintuitive and unsafe - they deserve to die in flames. We need change. A change for the better; for intuitiveness, for elegance, conformity, consistency, for learnability. Until then, Windows and Apples OS will stand a chance. Intelligent design is what we need, not only evolution.