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I can't see it from the article: are they talking about total generated energy or consumed? In Spain our government has banned new nuclear plants, so we have t

by narag 17y ago

I can't see it from the article: are they talking about total generated energy or consumed? In Spain our government has banned new nuclear plants, so we have to buy electricity from France, that produces it using nuclear plants anyway. The high percentages of wind power is no wonder. There are a lot of generators installed.

adrinavarro 17y ago
> so we have to buy electricity from France No, you're really wrong. Just have a look at our realtime demand & generation graphs: http://www.ree.es/operacion/curvas_demanda.asp http://www.ree.es/operacion/curvas_demanda.asp (right side) As I write this, it's 2h05 (15-nov). We actually have some spare energy, and we only import energy when we expect spikes (mostly by night). Right now, we're using exactly 1% of imported energy (..who said from france?). Also, at 22h45 (14nov) we were exporting about 4% of our energy. And we exported between ~4% and ~3% of our energy on the 22h to midnight term. Yesterday (14-nov) we used between 0.5% and 1% of imported energy between 21h and 22h. And between midnight and ~3h in the morning, we're expecting to import between 2% (that actually was at midnight) and 0.5% (for the next 4 hours). By the way, there's a clear policy about new nuclear plants: avoided if we can (because we still have some spare energy). We rely on combined cycle (17% as I'm writing this), wind (18%) and nuclear (26%). So, nuclear is still here. But don't need more. And, what we import is pretty ridiculous (we export much more than we import). ... Hey, we have nice-looking, nifty graphics, with real-time data! Please, use them! :)
barredo 17y ago
> so we have to buy electricity from France Lie. Year Electricity - imports (million kWh) 2000 9000 2001 11945 2002 12166 2003 7588 2004 7588 2005 9800 2006 8700 2007 8300 2008 8773 2009 8773 Year Electricity - exports (million kWh) 2000 5600 2001 6230 2002 7832 2003 4138 2004 4138 2005 4400 2006 7500 2007 11400 2008 14520 2009 14520 Source: Cia Factbook. More: http://twitpic.com/5zscj/full http://twitpic.com/5zscj/full And more: http://twitpic.com/5zxm3/full http://twitpic.com/5zxm3/full 2nd chart show how much % of Portuguese electricity is imported from Spain Source: Red Electrica Española (Spanish grid operator) France exports electricity to other countries such as Belgium and such (70k kWh last year) Last link shows consuption, production, imports and exports of electricty in Spain: http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=79&v=81&v=82&v=83&c=sp&l=en http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=79&v=81&v=82&#3...
- samuel 17y ago
  Thank you for your eye-widening comment. It's surprising how we swallow "well known facts" as this (everybody pretends to know that we import energy from french nuclears), without any research. The comment you answer wasn't mine, but it could have been. Thanks.
- narag 17y ago
  Interesting, I admit to have repeated what I've heard so many times without checking it.

by narag 17y ago

adrinavarro 17y ago

> so we have to buy electricity from France No, you're really wrong. Just have a look at our realtime demand & generation graphs: http://www.ree.es/operacion/curvas_demanda.asp http://www.ree.es/operacion/curvas_demanda.asp (right side) As I write this, it's 2h05 (15-nov). We actually have some spare energy, and we only import energy when we expect spikes (mostly by night). Right now, we're using exactly 1% of imported energy (..who said from france?). Also, at 22h45 (14nov) we were exporting about 4% of our energy. And we exported between ~4% and ~3% of our energy on the 22h to midnight term. Yesterday (14-nov) we used between 0.5% and 1% of imported energy between 21h and 22h. And between midnight and ~3h in the morning, we're expecting to import between 2% (that actually was at midnight) and 0.5% (for the next 4 hours). By the way, there's a clear policy about new nuclear plants: avoided if we can (because we still have some spare energy). We rely on combined cycle (17% as I'm writing this), wind (18%) and nuclear (26%). So, nuclear is still here. But don't need more. And, what we import is pretty ridiculous (we export much more than we import). ... Hey, we have nice-looking, nifty graphics, with real-time data! Please, use them! :)

barredo 17y ago

> so we have to buy electricity from France Lie. Year Electricity - imports (million kWh) 2000 9000 2001 11945 2002 12166 2003 7588 2004 7588 2005 9800 2006 8700 2007 8300 2008 8773 2009 8773 Year Electricity - exports (million kWh) 2000 5600 2001 6230 2002 7832 2003 4138 2004 4138 2005 4400 2006 7500 2007 11400 2008 14520 2009 14520 Source: Cia Factbook. More: http://twitpic.com/5zscj/full http://twitpic.com/5zscj/full And more: http://twitpic.com/5zxm3/full http://twitpic.com/5zxm3/full 2nd chart show how much % of Portuguese electricity is imported from Spain Source: Red Electrica Española (Spanish grid operator) France exports electricity to other countries such as Belgium and such (70k kWh last year) Last link shows consuption, production, imports and exports of electricty in Spain: http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=79&v=81&v=82&v=83&c=sp&l=en http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=79&v=81&v=82&#3...

samuel 17y ago
Thank you for your eye-widening comment. It's surprising how we swallow "well known facts" as this (everybody pretends to know that we import energy from french nuclears), without any research. The comment you answer wasn't mine, but it could have been. Thanks.
narag 17y ago
Interesting, I admit to have repeated what I've heard so many times without checking it.