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> The value of debian is not that they package (or repackage) everything into deb files but that they resolve versioning and dependancy conflicts, slip security
by mdellabitta 12y ago
> The value of debian is not that they package (or repackage) everything into deb files but that they resolve versioning and dependancy conflicts, slip security fixes into old versions of libraries (when newer version break API/ABI), and make it possible to integrate completely disparate software into a system. They also have a great track record at it.
The analog of the aspects of what Debian does that you're talking about here in the HStack world are companies like Cloudera, who, surprise, make their stuff available as debs and PPAs.
Building your own Hadoop from source and complaining that the resulting product is unvetted is sort of like doing a git pull of all the Linux dependencies and building that.
- rockdoe 12y agoBut the problem is that the ones doing the vetting (i.e. Debian) have given up on making a vettable distribution because the build is so broken.
- mdellabitta 12y agoBut Debian isn't the Debian of Hadoop. Cloudera is. Why should we assume the Debian Foundation is the sole trusted source of every type of software?
- rockdoe 11y agoWhat you are saying makes no sense. And yes, if I'm using Debian and didn't add any PPA or extra sources, then the Debian Foundation IS the sole trusted source of software. And you do that because you know hey won't fuck up the system, which (and that's the whole point of this thread) the others certainly don't. Now Debian is telling you: we see now way to distribute this software and guarantee what you are getting or that it won't fuck up the system. Do you think I'd consider installing that junk?
- mdellabitta 11y agoSo everyone who runs Hadoop is installing junk? Seems like plenty of other companies have been able to build businesses on it without adhering to your Debian-only rules...