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Equitable? Why does it matter if this is equitable? In practice, UK citizens now have to obey US law or risk being extradited - in this case, for conducting th

Equitable? Why does it matter if this is equitable? In practice, UK citizens now have to obey US law or risk being extradited - in this case, for conducting their work legally in their home country. This is not right.

tptacek 12y ago
You cannot be extradited from the UK to the US for things that aren't crimes in the UK. Check out the treaty.
- learnstats2 12y ago
  This doesn't seem to me to be true in practice, e.g. Not a crime in the UK at the time http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/norris-loses-us-extradition-battle-but-says-he-will-appeal-877866.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/norris-loses... UK citizen entrapped by US agent (entrapment would likely be thrown out of a UK court, but is now being tried in the US...): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tappin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tappin Even if the treaty is applied in this way, which it doesn't seem to be, US penalties are still not appropriate for UK citizens. The UK has abolished the death penalty on human rights grounds - and yet the UK government can send someone over to the US for this punishment. If you commit a UK crime on UK soil, you should be subject to UK punishment, and you should not be the subject of the law and punishment of any and all nations of the world.
  - tptacek 12y ago
    Can you be clearer about what crime Norris is being charged with that is illegal in the US but not illegal in the UK? Every European country extradites only on the provision that the death penalty will not be sought. It's also part of the ECHR. Your last sentence suggests that your problem isn't the specifics of the extradition treaty, but rather the concept of extradition in general.
    - learnstats2 12y ago
      > Your last sentence suggests that your problem isn't the specifics of the extradition treaty, but rather the concept of extradition in general. You misrepresent what I said. I don't particularly object to extradition for crimes committed in US law on US soil, although I do think countries have a responsibility to protect their own citizens first and foremost (which is surely the primary purpose of nations). If an extradition treaty means I am effectively subject to inter-national law while in my home country, then I object, yes, very much.

tptacek 12y ago

You cannot be extradited from the UK to the US for things that aren't crimes in the UK. Check out the treaty.

learnstats2 12y ago
This doesn't seem to me to be true in practice, e.g. Not a crime in the UK at the time http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/norris-loses-us-extradition-battle-but-says-he-will-appeal-877866.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/norris-loses... UK citizen entrapped by US agent (entrapment would likely be thrown out of a UK court, but is now being tried in the US...): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tappin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Tappin Even if the treaty is applied in this way, which it doesn't seem to be, US penalties are still not appropriate for UK citizens. The UK has abolished the death penalty on human rights grounds - and yet the UK government can send someone over to the US for this punishment. If you commit a UK crime on UK soil, you should be subject to UK punishment, and you should not be the subject of the law and punishment of any and all nations of the world.
- tptacek 12y ago
  Can you be clearer about what crime Norris is being charged with that is illegal in the US but not illegal in the UK? Every European country extradites only on the provision that the death penalty will not be sought. It's also part of the ECHR. Your last sentence suggests that your problem isn't the specifics of the extradition treaty, but rather the concept of extradition in general.
  - learnstats2 12y ago
    > Your last sentence suggests that your problem isn't the specifics of the extradition treaty, but rather the concept of extradition in general. You misrepresent what I said. I don't particularly object to extradition for crimes committed in US law on US soil, although I do think countries have a responsibility to protect their own citizens first and foremost (which is surely the primary purpose of nations). If an extradition treaty means I am effectively subject to inter-national law while in my home country, then I object, yes, very much.