I think you know full well that those are not at all what I meant. You can say "they still make money selling the software too," but that's what they call damni

I think you know full well that those are not at all what I meant. You can say "they still make money selling the software too," but that's what they call damning with faint praise. I made some money selling my old car, but I don't say I have a car-selling business. Those are hardware companies and service companies, not companies that primarily sell software. The simple fact is that selling free software has not been shown to be a viable business model. There are businesses that have shown the value of using free software, and businesses that have made good money supporting free software, but creating and selling free software just doesn't appear to be something you can look to for income. And that's what api was talking about when he said "In [Stallman's] world, the creators of things starve."