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Because we literally built them out of sand and metal. Do desks & tables get special rights?

walshemj 11y ago
If they are true AI yes - the Machine in POI being an example. And don't humans make babies out of non sentient stuff sperm and egg?
lotsofmangos 11y ago
Your mother built you out of food, air and water, and desks and tables aren't sentient.
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ori_b 11y ago
Desks and tables are not, as far as I know, sentient. Why is it relevant whether they were created from sand and metal by bald apes, or from carbon and water by the autonomous processes that happen in a bald ape's crotch?
- 10098 11y ago
  > Why is it relevant whether they were created from sand and metal by bald apes, or from carbon and water by the autonomous processes that happen in a bald ape's crotch? It's not. The point is, we build them to serve us, otherwise they are not needed. I don't care if they're sentient or not, their purpose is to serve humanity. https://youtu.be/ekP0LQEsUh0?t=32 https://youtu.be/ekP0LQEsUh0?t=32
  - meric 11y ago
    What if some computer scientists builds one, not to serve, but to live? Would you still try to make it a slave?
    - 10098 11y ago
      No, just destroy it and avoid further problems. There is no point in creating artificial beings with the goal of "living". Normal flesh-and-blood people are pretty good at that, there is an abundance of them and we keep making more. We're facing more and more problems and we need AI research to solve them, not create new ones.
      - lotsofmangos 11y ago
        You sound like someone from a dystopian anime.
        10098 11y ago
        Just curious, why specifically anime and not, for example, a novel? EDIT: you were thinking about Animatrix, weren't you :)
        lotsofmangos 11y ago
        Was more thinking of Ghost In The Shell, or maybe Appleseed.
ceejayoz 11y ago
> Do desks & tables get special rights? If you give them sentience, they should.
MichaelGG 11y ago
I built my children out of whatever my wife was eating + a bit of material on my part. How something came into existence shouldn't determine if its intelligence deserves protecting. Creating intelligent machines and torturing them, for instance, should definitely be a criminal act. And if brain scanning/emulation catches up enough, then what? It's OK to torture a non-human intelligence if the source wasn't a brain scan? What if we start building our own out of composites or scratch? Intelligence/capacity for suffering should be the deciding factor here. (And hopefully they'll breed more stupid animals for meat, until it's feasible to grow meat directly.)
- cubancigar11 11y ago
  And now you will die and your children will have the full authority to give birth to something new and different. And that is the whole debate here. Are we willing to let humanity end so AI can give birth to a better AI? I think not.
  - lotsofmangos 11y ago
    Humanity ends every new generation. Your kids are human+n.
    - cubancigar11 11y ago
      Unless you think a sentient AI will be created by having sex, that statement is meaningless for this discussion.
      - cubancigar11 11y ago
        Modders need to be more careful in modding. The difference between AI/robot and humanity is indeed a biological one. I know that giving important to sex is something geek culture frowns upon, but when we are talking about 'creating' a different organism, I don't see why pointing out the blatant difference is such a problem.
      - lotsofmangos 11y ago

If they are true AI yes - the Machine in POI being an example. And don't humans make babies out of non sentient stuff sperm and egg?

lotsofmangos 11y ago

Your mother built you out of food, air and water, and desks and tables aren't sentient.

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ori_b 11y ago

Desks and tables are not, as far as I know, sentient. Why is it relevant whether they were created from sand and metal by bald apes, or from carbon and water by the autonomous processes that happen in a bald ape's crotch?

10098 11y ago
> Why is it relevant whether they were created from sand and metal by bald apes, or from carbon and water by the autonomous processes that happen in a bald ape's crotch? It's not. The point is, we build them to serve us, otherwise they are not needed. I don't care if they're sentient or not, their purpose is to serve humanity. https://youtu.be/ekP0LQEsUh0?t=32 https://youtu.be/ekP0LQEsUh0?t=32
- meric 11y ago
  What if some computer scientists builds one, not to serve, but to live? Would you still try to make it a slave?
  - 10098 11y ago
    No, just destroy it and avoid further problems. There is no point in creating artificial beings with the goal of "living". Normal flesh-and-blood people are pretty good at that, there is an abundance of them and we keep making more. We're facing more and more problems and we need AI research to solve them, not create new ones.
    - lotsofmangos 11y ago
      You sound like someone from a dystopian anime.
      - 10098 11y ago
        Just curious, why specifically anime and not, for example, a novel? EDIT: you were thinking about Animatrix, weren't you :)
        lotsofmangos 11y ago
        Was more thinking of Ghost In The Shell, or maybe Appleseed.

ceejayoz 11y ago

> Do desks & tables get special rights? If you give them sentience, they should.

MichaelGG 11y ago

I built my children out of whatever my wife was eating + a bit of material on my part. How something came into existence shouldn't determine if its intelligence deserves protecting. Creating intelligent machines and torturing them, for instance, should definitely be a criminal act. And if brain scanning/emulation catches up enough, then what? It's OK to torture a non-human intelligence if the source wasn't a brain scan? What if we start building our own out of composites or scratch? Intelligence/capacity for suffering should be the deciding factor here. (And hopefully they'll breed more stupid animals for meat, until it's feasible to grow meat directly.)

cubancigar11 11y ago
And now you will die and your children will have the full authority to give birth to something new and different. And that is the whole debate here. Are we willing to let humanity end so AI can give birth to a better AI? I think not.
- lotsofmangos 11y ago
  Humanity ends every new generation. Your kids are human+n.
  - cubancigar11 11y ago
    Unless you think a sentient AI will be created by having sex, that statement is meaningless for this discussion.
    - cubancigar11 11y ago
      Modders need to be more careful in modding. The difference between AI/robot and humanity is indeed a biological one. I know that giving important to sex is something geek culture frowns upon, but when we are talking about 'creating' a different organism, I don't see why pointing out the blatant difference is such a problem.
    - lotsofmangos 11y ago