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If your countrymen hadn't killed 126.000 Russians, and maimed 180.000 more, you would now be governed by homophobic, corrupt and oppressive Vladimir Putin. I a

by tinco 12y ago

If your countrymen hadn't killed 126.000 Russians, and maimed 180.000 more, you would now be governed by homophobic, corrupt and oppressive Vladimir Putin. I am not pro-war. I am not suggesting anyone should be attacked, but if you don't have the power to defend what you stand for, you will trampled by those who do. I am from the Netherlands. The only reason we exist is because the U.S. won the second world war, and we allied ourselves to them. We're not as strong and mighty as the Fins, we use diplomacy and money to establish our sovereignty.

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inDigiNeous 12y ago
This kind of thinking leads to war. What I'm saying is that if we really want to create peace, we should think about peace. Not attacking. It doesn't matter who is attacking. If somebody is doing it, then it leads to more of this action. Sorry for offending you, was not my cause. Just trying to see why somebody would think they should show force even though they are a new country and they have the possibility to act differently than we have done before. I understand this is not a popular view, as we are being taught that we are "naturally" violent and warmongering race of beings, but I do not feel it is true. I feel it is something that is taught, and something that can be taught out of also.
- tinco 12y ago
  Thanks for responding. I wasn't offended, I actually upvoted you to counter-act the downvote storm a little. (It was your offensive prejudice against U.S. citizens that triggered your downvotes, any apology should be directed at them) I believe that violence is not taught, or even human. I believe it is a fundamental aspect of nature, and only humans have the power to overcome it. A group of humans overcoming nature and violence is what I would call a civilization. Unfortunately any group of humans has only a limited influence, so civilizations have borders. Outside the borders nature rages violently, attacking civilizations for the resources they dig, farm and build. To keep nature out we need to make some sort of sacrifice, be it resources, lives, or our own morality. Our morality is what makes us human, so war should never be a solution. But our civilizations are also precious, so they have to be guarded. That's what I believe anyway.

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inDigiNeous 12y ago

This kind of thinking leads to war. What I'm saying is that if we really want to create peace, we should think about peace. Not attacking. It doesn't matter who is attacking. If somebody is doing it, then it leads to more of this action. Sorry for offending you, was not my cause. Just trying to see why somebody would think they should show force even though they are a new country and they have the possibility to act differently than we have done before. I understand this is not a popular view, as we are being taught that we are "naturally" violent and warmongering race of beings, but I do not feel it is true. I feel it is something that is taught, and something that can be taught out of also.

tinco 12y ago
Thanks for responding. I wasn't offended, I actually upvoted you to counter-act the downvote storm a little. (It was your offensive prejudice against U.S. citizens that triggered your downvotes, any apology should be directed at them) I believe that violence is not taught, or even human. I believe it is a fundamental aspect of nature, and only humans have the power to overcome it. A group of humans overcoming nature and violence is what I would call a civilization. Unfortunately any group of humans has only a limited influence, so civilizations have borders. Outside the borders nature rages violently, attacking civilizations for the resources they dig, farm and build. To keep nature out we need to make some sort of sacrifice, be it resources, lives, or our own morality. Our morality is what makes us human, so war should never be a solution. But our civilizations are also precious, so they have to be guarded. That's what I believe anyway.