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Especially the most basic and primitive emotions/sensations that influence our behavior very directly, like pain or panic. I get how fish might not experience

• pvaldes 11y ago
  I cant see a fish bored perfectly, or experiencing culture shock. Why not?. A lot of people fall in this trap with fishes. "Well, goldfishes are dumb, and goldfishes are fishes, therefore fishes are dumb". To reduce the more diverse type of vertebrates, with more than 30.000 extant species, to the behaviour of a goldfish put in a matchbox of water is extreme oversimplification. Some fishes are very intelligent in fact. Not like an human but much more than a mice or a chicken for sure. Sadly the 90% of philosophers in history just didn't understand what type of creature is a fish and the derived reasoning about those had lead to funny dead ends. But the real problem is that "to be able to feel pain or not" or "to live in water or not" are just subjective lines (Saving lion, moral act. Saving tuna, maybe tomorrow, tunas are dumb). We could also create different laws for vegan species (cow: moral, dog: amoral), or for species that can feel love and care for his descendants (butterfly: amoral, spider: a wonderfully moral creature), or that can feel electromagnetic fields, or that have four extremities with 5 fingers at the end (human good, spider and horses amoral) or that can live longer and pacific lives (humans so-so, sequoia great). The rules of this game are totally artificial from the start.