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Really now, what is so terrible about the prospect of failing to suffer years of hideous pain, disfigurement, and disability that it forces people to wax lyrica
by reasonattlm 12y ago
Really now, what is so terrible about the prospect of failing to suffer years of hideous pain, disfigurement, and disability that it forces people to wax lyrical and beat their breasts and say, woe is me, we might have the chance to not suffer and not be diseased and not be forced into a painful death not of our choice?
I mean, I believe near everyone you can find to ask is generally in favor of cancer research. That's absolutely about preventing all of the above.
But the prospect of treating the medical condition we call aging and removing its consequences? Suddenly everyone is a poet, inclined to the morbid.
- asanagi 12y agoHaha, yeah, let's treat and prevent all the conditions that cause us to die, except all the conditions that cause us to die.
- magnifyingglass 12y ago> Suddenly everyone is a poet, inclined to the morbid. This is an equally eye-roll inducing over-generalization. Death is a profound topic to many people - the contemporary considerations of immortality may bring what you see as the superficiality of death, to light, for others. That's nothing to snub your nose at. While some may actually take immortality literally, for many people it is better thought of as a metaphor.
- ams6110 12y agoCancer research is well into the realm of diminishing returns. Far more lives could be saved if the money were spent on things such as malaria prevention and potable water in the developing world.
- 67726e 12y agoNot to be callous, but diminishing returns for whom? Hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, medical science, or humanity? Who is to say that research for cancer couldn't lead to breakthroughs in other important areas. Saying we shouldn't pursue X because you could do Y better strikes a bit hollow. Why do we explore space? We could spend that money on impoverished children.[0] The fact is, people just aren't that inclined to give a damn about some kids wallowing in a third-world country as they are their dying grandmother, father, or child. There is nothing wrong with that. Human suffering is human suffering. [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8917045 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8917045
- reasonattlm 12y ago8.2 million cancer related deaths in 2012: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs297/en/ http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs297/en/ 627,000 malaria related deaths in 2012: http://www.who.int/gho/malaria/epidemic/deaths/en/ http://www.who.int/gho/malaria/epidemic/deaths/en/ Lack of potable water is a harder one to pin down for things other than childhood mortality, but probably in the low millions per year: http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/global/wash_statistics.html http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/global/wash_statistics.html Further, cancer research is far from being in the realm of diminishing returns. The next generation of targeted treatments such as immunotherapies, chimeric antigen related approaches, engineered viruses, etc, that work for many different varieties of cancer will be far more effective than today's staples of chemotherapy and radiation therapy.
- deciplex 12y agoThe reason there is malaria and potable water shortages in the developing world is that no one gives a shit, and cutting funding for cancer research isn't going to change that. There is absolutely no reason not to do both. Also, disagree that cancer research is "well into the realm of diminishing returns". Seems quite fruitful to me.
- rrss1122 12y agoWe (in the west) have spent a lot of money doing that already. The local governments should take care of that anyway.
- jqm 12y agoI would suppose that at the point we understand biology well enough to beat aging and death, overcoming the "ratchet" DNA degeneration mentioned in the article will be pretty trivial.