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by omonra 12y ago

unprepare 12y ago
This source does not back your claims at all. Firstly, it doesn't break the statistics down by race. Blacks are arrested disproportionately for drug crimes [1][2], you can't assume because the general prison population is 20% that the same is true of a subpopulation. The FBI shows that White commit disproportionately more violent crimes[3] - though it is important to note that the FBI stats are arrests, and not prison. Blacks get harsher prison sentences for all categories, and thus would make up a higher percentage of prison populations than if sentences were even across races. To show you why its other peoples problem look at your own sentence here: >black men are killing each other Over what? The answer here is the drug war creating hyper competitive and very well paying black markets, especially prevalent in poor communities where drug abuse is the most common (and thus drug dealing and territory are more lucrative). No one is absolving the black community of responsibility, it would be crazy to do so. But to place ALL of the blame on a community with the worst schools, the least nuclear families, the highest rates of drug use, and the least financial stability would be well passed insensitive. The problem is the subjugation of the lower class, blacks just happen to be disproportionately in the class and have been for generations. Looking at these statistics by race is a red herring in the first place. What we need is to be seeing crime statistic based on socioeconomic status. It will then be obvious what parts of society are breeding crime. [1]http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2014/09/30-war-on-drugs-black-social-mobility-rothwell http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2... [2]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/opinion/high-time-the-injustice-of-marijuana-arrests.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/opinion/high-time-the-inju... [3]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/c...
- omonra 12y ago
  I won't argue about most of your points as we disagree on the fundamental level (i subscribe to the Bill Cosby view as elaborated in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech). However - your read of the FBI data (which I frequently use myself) is completely off. Blacks are responsible for significantly higher crime rate than whites (for whom that table doesn't work because it mixes Mexicans and whites in one column). To wit: Blacks are 13% of population but are MAJORITY of arrests for murder (49%). That's more than 3x their share of the population. All other rows they are also heavily represented. The only row where they are below their population number is DUI.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9410440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9410440

by omonra 12y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9410440 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9410440

This source does not back your claims at all. Firstly, it doesn't break the statistics down by race. Blacks are arrested disproportionately for drug crimes [1][2], you can't assume because the general prison population is 20% that the same is true of a subpopulation. The FBI shows that White commit disproportionately more violent crimes[3] - though it is important to note that the FBI stats are arrests, and not prison. Blacks get harsher prison sentences for all categories, and thus would make up a higher percentage of prison populations than if sentences were even across races. To show you why its other peoples problem look at your own sentence here: >black men are killing each other Over what? The answer here is the drug war creating hyper competitive and very well paying black markets, especially prevalent in poor communities where drug abuse is the most common (and thus drug dealing and territory are more lucrative). No one is absolving the black community of responsibility, it would be crazy to do so. But to place ALL of the blame on a community with the worst schools, the least nuclear families, the highest rates of drug use, and the least financial stability would be well passed insensitive. The problem is the subjugation of the lower class, blacks just happen to be disproportionately in the class and have been for generations. Looking at these statistics by race is a red herring in the first place. What we need is to be seeing crime statistic based on socioeconomic status. It will then be obvious what parts of society are breeding crime. [1]http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2014/09/30-war-on-drugs-black-social-mobility-rothwell http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/social-mobility-memos/posts/2... [2]http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/opinion/high-time-the-injustice-of-marijuana-arrests.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/29/opinion/high-time-the-inju... [3]http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/c...

omonra 12y ago
I won't argue about most of your points as we disagree on the fundamental level (i subscribe to the Bill Cosby view as elaborated in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech). However - your read of the FBI data (which I frequently use myself) is completely off. Blacks are responsible for significantly higher crime rate than whites (for whom that table doesn't work because it mixes Mexicans and whites in one column). To wit: Blacks are 13% of population but are MAJORITY of arrests for murder (49%). That's more than 3x their share of the population. All other rows they are also heavily represented. The only row where they are below their population number is DUI.