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Then why is paternity fraud legal? Where I live a woman's husband is on the hook for her child if it was conceived while they were married. Even if it isn't h

by tsotha 12y ago

Then why is paternity fraud legal? Where I live a woman's husband is on the hook for her child if it was conceived while they were married. Even if it isn't his and/or they divorce before the baby is born. Does that seem reasonable to you? Is that what you'd expect if your imaginary patriarchy was real? Why do women and minorities get special consideration in employment and education? Why don't women pay their own freight on health care? I've present support for my argument and you've... well, you've re-presented your assertion.

Frondo 12y ago
In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. (I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law, but it doesn't support the assertion that women rule the world, and it doesn't really make any sense on its own.)
- tsotha 12y ago
  >In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. You keep saying that, but proof by assertion isn't going to get you very far. >To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. Again, we were talking about the US. Please try to stay on topic. >I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law... Because it's grossly unfair to men, and it wouldn't be if men actually exercised the power you imagine.
  - Frondo 12y ago
    What? You seriously don't know the gender/race make-up of our elected officials? Is that what your hang-up is? You really think there are more women and people of color in office and in positions of power than white men? Really? If you are that misinformed, I am a little astonished. Just look it up.
    - tsotha 12y ago
      >You seriously don't know the gender/race make-up of our elected officials? Of course I know what it is. I also know it's irrelevant, since women make up the majority of voters. Politicians don't get elected if they don't pander to women. You clearly don't understand how power is wielded in a democracy, which is probably how you arrived at views so at odds with reality. Again, forget about the skin color and sex of people in office. It doesn't matter. Look at the laws, and look at the way they are executed by the courts.
      - Frondo 12y ago
        So you're looking at the composition of people in power, and you're saying "those people, the ones in power, DON'T have power". I guess once you start denying objective reality and common sense, you can go anywhere, including "women secretly rule the world". Well done.
        tsotha 12y ago
        I guess if you don't the way democracies work you could get the impression people in legislatures are just doing whatever they want. I guess looking at outcomes is too complicated. That's okay. Men will just do what we always do - roll our eyes at your complaints and shoulder most of the load.

by tsotha 12y ago

Frondo 12y ago

In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. (I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law, but it doesn't support the assertion that women rule the world, and it doesn't really make any sense on its own.)

tsotha 12y ago
>In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. You keep saying that, but proof by assertion isn't going to get you very far. >To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. Again, we were talking about the US. Please try to stay on topic. >I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law... Because it's grossly unfair to men, and it wouldn't be if men actually exercised the power you imagine.
- Frondo 12y ago
  What? You seriously don't know the gender/race make-up of our elected officials? Is that what your hang-up is? You really think there are more women and people of color in office and in positions of power than white men? Really? If you are that misinformed, I am a little astonished. Just look it up.
  - tsotha 12y ago
    >You seriously don't know the gender/race make-up of our elected officials? Of course I know what it is. I also know it's irrelevant, since women make up the majority of voters. Politicians don't get elected if they don't pander to women. You clearly don't understand how power is wielded in a democracy, which is probably how you arrived at views so at odds with reality. Again, forget about the skin color and sex of people in office. It doesn't matter. Look at the laws, and look at the way they are executed by the courts.
    - Frondo 12y ago
      So you're looking at the composition of people in power, and you're saying "those people, the ones in power, DON'T have power". I guess once you start denying objective reality and common sense, you can go anywhere, including "women secretly rule the world". Well done.
      - tsotha 12y ago
        I guess if you don't the way democracies work you could get the impression people in legislatures are just doing whatever they want. I guess looking at outcomes is too complicated. That's okay. Men will just do what we always do - roll our eyes at your complaints and shoulder most of the load.