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This seems to be operating in the same space as CoreOS, but doesn't list any differentiators. How does it compare?

by Zikes 12y ago

spicy 12y ago
It isn't really – this is more akin to Boot2Docker https://github.com/boot2docker/boot2docker https://github.com/boot2docker/boot2docker. It is a minimal linux install intended for non-native hosts to run Docker containers, say on a Mac or in a VMware cluster. You could use it for production workloads, certainly, but it doesn't provide any of the management tools that CoreOS provides.
wmf 12y ago
For one thing, it has about a hundred ™ symbols. Maybe lawyers are an untapped market for containers. It's also propping up Pivotal's fork of Docker that doesn't get much love.
- vito 12y ago
  > fork of Docker wat https://github.com/docker/docker/commit/a27b4b8cb8e838d03a99b6d2b30f76bdaf2f9e5d https://github.com/docker/docker/commit/a27b4b8cb8e838d03a99... Jan 18, 2013 https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/garden/commit/9c79a50b455191bf1b6e1ea9e1b4087ede43d99e https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/garden/commit/9c79... Dec 6, 2011
- tedsuo 12y ago
  Garden is not a docker fork, though it is capable of running docker images.
- thoughtpalette 12y ago
  Great observation on the ™
ffk 12y ago
I think the idea for photon is to let existing vSphere infrastructure manage the container lifecycle. CoreOS appears to be aiming towards becoming a platform to build distributed systems on top of which happens to be container centric.
- social42 12y ago
  From a quick review, this looks more like RedHat Atomic than CoreOS. CoreOS uses an A/B partition swap for atomic updates while the vmware OS uses RPM (god knows why). Also, this seems to be huge compared to the minimal (20MB) option of just using RancherOS. IF I can use CoreOS and get ETCD, Fleet and both Docker and App containers, why would I use something from VMware ? Does anyone see any value in using this thing ?, The entire point o using something like CoreOS or Red Hat atomic with Docker is to stop paying VMware thousands of dollars for each server. why would I use a VMware OS on a VMware hypervisor when I can just use Docker on CoreOS on physical HW and get better performance and more flexibility for free ? And the entire security thing seems like noise. the real security issue is what running inside the VM and not the cross VM security. containers can be made more secure and more manageable than vmware, simply because they can be automated better.
  - evol262 12y ago
    >The entire point o using something like CoreOS or Red Hat atomic with Docker is to stop paying VMware thousands of dollars for each server. No, it isn't. Containers (and app containers) are not competitors to, replacements for, or equivalent to traditional virt. While there's some overlap in cases where there's deployment from golden templates or glance images or AMIs or whatever just to get isolated apps, traditional virtualization and containers are complementary technologies.
  - 23david 12y ago
    Not sure if you're trolling, but I really hope you are...

This seems to be operating in the same space as CoreOS, but doesn't list any differentiators. How does it compare?

by Zikes 12y ago

This seems to be operating in the same space as CoreOS, but doesn't list any differentiators. How does it compare?

spicy 12y ago

It isn't really – this is more akin to Boot2Docker https://github.com/boot2docker/boot2docker https://github.com/boot2docker/boot2docker. It is a minimal linux install intended for non-native hosts to run Docker containers, say on a Mac or in a VMware cluster. You could use it for production workloads, certainly, but it doesn't provide any of the management tools that CoreOS provides.

wmf 12y ago

For one thing, it has about a hundred ™ symbols. Maybe lawyers are an untapped market for containers. It's also propping up Pivotal's fork of Docker that doesn't get much love.

vito 12y ago
> fork of Docker wat https://github.com/docker/docker/commit/a27b4b8cb8e838d03a99b6d2b30f76bdaf2f9e5d https://github.com/docker/docker/commit/a27b4b8cb8e838d03a99... Jan 18, 2013 https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/garden/commit/9c79a50b455191bf1b6e1ea9e1b4087ede43d99e https://github.com/cloudfoundry-incubator/garden/commit/9c79... Dec 6, 2011
tedsuo 12y ago
Garden is not a docker fork, though it is capable of running docker images.
thoughtpalette 12y ago
Great observation on the ™

ffk 12y ago

I think the idea for photon is to let existing vSphere infrastructure manage the container lifecycle. CoreOS appears to be aiming towards becoming a platform to build distributed systems on top of which happens to be container centric.

social42 12y ago
From a quick review, this looks more like RedHat Atomic than CoreOS. CoreOS uses an A/B partition swap for atomic updates while the vmware OS uses RPM (god knows why). Also, this seems to be huge compared to the minimal (20MB) option of just using RancherOS. IF I can use CoreOS and get ETCD, Fleet and both Docker and App containers, why would I use something from VMware ? Does anyone see any value in using this thing ?, The entire point o using something like CoreOS or Red Hat atomic with Docker is to stop paying VMware thousands of dollars for each server. why would I use a VMware OS on a VMware hypervisor when I can just use Docker on CoreOS on physical HW and get better performance and more flexibility for free ? And the entire security thing seems like noise. the real security issue is what running inside the VM and not the cross VM security. containers can be made more secure and more manageable than vmware, simply because they can be automated better.
- evol262 12y ago
  >The entire point o using something like CoreOS or Red Hat atomic with Docker is to stop paying VMware thousands of dollars for each server. No, it isn't. Containers (and app containers) are not competitors to, replacements for, or equivalent to traditional virt. While there's some overlap in cases where there's deployment from golden templates or glance images or AMIs or whatever just to get isolated apps, traditional virtualization and containers are complementary technologies.
- 23david 12y ago
  Not sure if you're trolling, but I really hope you are...