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>I'm not interested in diving into what you mean by "full-throated support," but would instead like to ask, why shouldn't they? Why are those groups of people n

by tsotha 12y ago

>I'm not interested in diving into what you mean by "full-throated support," but would instead like to ask, why shouldn't they? Why are those groups of people not worthy of support, full-throated or otherwise? I didn't say they shouldn't. I was merely pointing out these groups get no more in the way of negative messaging from the media than white men. Quite a bit less, actually. >If those groups are now working to obtain more economic and political power, in a world that has historically and remains economically and politically skewed against them, why would anyone not support that? Why indeed? Maybe because they already have political power in proportion to their size? More so, in fact - if you want to know who's in charge all you need to do is find out who you can't criticize. White men, at what, about 30% of the US population, seem to be quite safe to criticize, wouldn't you say?

Frondo 12y ago
What? They already have political power in proportion to their size? How do you figure that? There are 19 women heads of state in the world right now, out of 190-some countries. Worldwide, only about 22% of parliamentarians (MPs, representatives, etc) are women. I'm pretty sure women make up more than 22% of the population. There's also a never-ending raft of laws, especially in the US, aimed at controlling women's access to health care--women, not men, are having female-specific health care decisions made for them by (male-dominated) force of law, rather than by consultation with a doctor or personal agency. As for all this talk about who gets criticized, you make it sound like white men have, in addition to political dominance, unimaginably thin skin and sensitive constitutions. "Stop! We're being criticized! They're saying we have all the powerrrrr!" My eyes, they can't stop rolling.
- tsotha 12y ago
  >How do you figure that? There are 19 women heads of state in the world right now, out of 190-some countries. Worldwide, only about 22% of parliamentarians (MPs, representatives, etc) are women. I'm pretty sure women make up more than 22% of the population. We were talking about the US. I have little interest in what other countries do unless it becomes a problem for mine. >There's also a never-ending raft of laws, especially in the US, aimed at controlling women's access to health care... If by that you mean adding restrictions to infanticide, well, I suppose they get proposed on a regular basis. They hardly ever pass, though, and when they do they're gutted by the courts. Not what I'd describe as a "never-ending raft". More like a soggy paper boat. >As for all this talk about who gets criticized, you make it sound like white men have, in addition to political dominance, unimaginably thin skin and sensitive constitutions. Nice try. Just because I draw your attention to a double standard doesn't mean I'm ready to run to a "safe space". I'm simply pointing out white men, at 30% of the population, don't control the country. If men actually had "political dominance" we'd have laws against paternity fraud. And you wouldn't be able to sponge off your ex after deciding you weren't that into him any more. Women pay less than half the health care dollars and yet they use 2/3 of the services. That hardly seems fair, does it? But no. More than half the voters are women complaining about having no power while at the same time calling the shots.
  - Frondo 12y ago
    Political representation by women in the US is no better than the rest of the world. White men, at 30%, do control the country. You are misinformed if you think otherwise.
    - tsotha 12y ago
      Then why is paternity fraud legal? Where I live a woman's husband is on the hook for her child if it was conceived while they were married. Even if it isn't his and/or they divorce before the baby is born. Does that seem reasonable to you? Is that what you'd expect if your imaginary patriarchy was real? Why do women and minorities get special consideration in employment and education? Why don't women pay their own freight on health care? I've present support for my argument and you've... well, you've re-presented your assertion.
      - Frondo 12y ago
        In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. (I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law, but it doesn't support the assertion that women rule the world, and it doesn't really make any sense on its own.)
        tsotha 12y ago
        >In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. You keep saying that, but proof by assertion isn't going to get you very far. >To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. Again, we were talking about the US. Please try to stay on topic. >I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law... Because it's grossly unfair to men, and it wouldn't be if men actually exercised the power you imagine.

by tsotha 12y ago

Frondo 12y ago

What? They already have political power in proportion to their size? How do you figure that? There are 19 women heads of state in the world right now, out of 190-some countries. Worldwide, only about 22% of parliamentarians (MPs, representatives, etc) are women. I'm pretty sure women make up more than 22% of the population. There's also a never-ending raft of laws, especially in the US, aimed at controlling women's access to health care--women, not men, are having female-specific health care decisions made for them by (male-dominated) force of law, rather than by consultation with a doctor or personal agency. As for all this talk about who gets criticized, you make it sound like white men have, in addition to political dominance, unimaginably thin skin and sensitive constitutions. "Stop! We're being criticized! They're saying we have all the powerrrrr!" My eyes, they can't stop rolling.

tsotha 12y ago
>How do you figure that? There are 19 women heads of state in the world right now, out of 190-some countries. Worldwide, only about 22% of parliamentarians (MPs, representatives, etc) are women. I'm pretty sure women make up more than 22% of the population. We were talking about the US. I have little interest in what other countries do unless it becomes a problem for mine. >There's also a never-ending raft of laws, especially in the US, aimed at controlling women's access to health care... If by that you mean adding restrictions to infanticide, well, I suppose they get proposed on a regular basis. They hardly ever pass, though, and when they do they're gutted by the courts. Not what I'd describe as a "never-ending raft". More like a soggy paper boat. >As for all this talk about who gets criticized, you make it sound like white men have, in addition to political dominance, unimaginably thin skin and sensitive constitutions. Nice try. Just because I draw your attention to a double standard doesn't mean I'm ready to run to a "safe space". I'm simply pointing out white men, at 30% of the population, don't control the country. If men actually had "political dominance" we'd have laws against paternity fraud. And you wouldn't be able to sponge off your ex after deciding you weren't that into him any more. Women pay less than half the health care dollars and yet they use 2/3 of the services. That hardly seems fair, does it? But no. More than half the voters are women complaining about having no power while at the same time calling the shots.
- Frondo 12y ago
  Political representation by women in the US is no better than the rest of the world. White men, at 30%, do control the country. You are misinformed if you think otherwise.
  - tsotha 12y ago
    Then why is paternity fraud legal? Where I live a woman's husband is on the hook for her child if it was conceived while they were married. Even if it isn't his and/or they divorce before the baby is born. Does that seem reasonable to you? Is that what you'd expect if your imaginary patriarchy was real? Why do women and minorities get special consideration in employment and education? Why don't women pay their own freight on health care? I've present support for my argument and you've... well, you've re-presented your assertion.
    - Frondo 12y ago
      In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. (I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law, but it doesn't support the assertion that women rule the world, and it doesn't really make any sense on its own.)
      - tsotha 12y ago
        >In a very real, observable sense--political representation--white men far outweigh their population size, and outweigh every other group put together. You keep saying that, but proof by assertion isn't going to get you very far. >To go from that actual real fact about the world, to the conclusion that women therefore rule the world, takes a rather grand leap of imagination. Again, we were talking about the US. Please try to stay on topic. >I also can't figure out why you have that fixation on family law... Because it's grossly unfair to men, and it wouldn't be if men actually exercised the power you imagine.