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I see things the other way around. The generic white males are constantly berated and ridiculed in the mainstream media. People are constantly getting in trou

I see things the other way around. The generic white males are constantly berated and ridiculed in the mainstream media. People are constantly getting in trouble or losing their jobs for saying the wrong thing, e.g. Satya Nadella for not knowing the "right" response to the issue of women not asking for raises.

tomlock 11y ago
I chuckled a little because you mention "generic white males" and then Satya in the next sentence. Satya's comments were poorly stated and he said as much. People spoke freely about it, and he clarified. Free speech in action!
- formulaT 11y ago
  You must be easily amused then. Satya Nadella was an example of people in generally being required to speak in a politically correct way. Haven't you heard of intersectionality? Nadella could still be accused of having male privilege in spite of being non-White. And your analysis is very shallow. Of course speech was "free" in the legal sense, that is not the issue. The issue is that even though his honest opinion was that in the long run, women's approach might not be a big disadvantage, he was forced to recant and give the "right" answer.
  - tomlock 11y ago
    I am easily amused and I also know what intersectionality is. I'm interested in why you have the perspective that Satya was being honest and then recanted, since he pretty clearly stated that he misspoke, and it is easy to see how he misspoke. My perspective is he was speaking in terms of how tech ought to be for women, but failed to mention that the situation for women was currently different. The idea that women ought to be able to trust the system is a given, but Satya didn't say "but it currently isn't so" and in his apology he cleared that up. Good on him!
    - formulaT 11y ago
      My perspective is he was speaking in terms of how tech ought to be for women, but failed to mention that the situation for women was currently different. That's just completely wrong, watch the video again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndm_RSvAgO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndm_RSvAgO4
      - tomlock 11y ago
        I disagree. Could you help me understand why you think he backed down rather than just clarifying his comments?
        formulaT 11y ago
        If you watch the video, there is nothing that suggests Satya is not talking about the way things are in the workplace, not they way they should be. I just don't see where you are getting this idea from. Do you have a single source for this?
- yummyfajitas 11y ago
  Its not an uncommon use of "white male". Most of the media describes Asians in tech as white - it is the only way to preserve the narrative.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    > Most of the media describes Asians in tech as white Do you have any examples?
    - yummyfajitas 11y ago
      For example, "Google Admits it Hires Too Many White Dudes" or "Amazon’s Diversity Report Is Another White-Male-Dominated Tech Story". http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/28/google-admits-it-hires-too-many-white-dudes/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/28/google-admits-it-hires-too-... http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/03/amazon-diversity-2014/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/03/amazon-diversity-2014/ (Both reports show that Asians are overrepresented, white people represented, and others underrepresented.)
      - DanBC 11y ago
        You said "Most of the media describes Asians in tech as white - it is the only way to preserve the narrative." Neither of those articles - from a single source - describe Asians as white; Asian is explicitly broken out as a seperate category and described as a minority. "It’s no better on the race front, either, with the highest minority being Asian at 34% in tech and next to non-existent in anything else." Did you miss the fact that Asians are only "overrepresented" in tech, and not in other parts of Google? Amazon doesn't break the job types into tech and non tech. They do Amazon everything and Amazon management. But even that tech crunch report shows that they have seperated out white, Asian, black, hispanic, and other. These are weak examples considering the claim you made.
detcader 11y ago
Women are photoshopped and presented as objects in the mainstream media. Women are constantly getting in trouble or losing their jobs for saying the wrong thing, e.g. "no" to sex and harassment.

tomlock 11y ago

I chuckled a little because you mention "generic white males" and then Satya in the next sentence. Satya's comments were poorly stated and he said as much. People spoke freely about it, and he clarified. Free speech in action!

formulaT 11y ago
You must be easily amused then. Satya Nadella was an example of people in generally being required to speak in a politically correct way. Haven't you heard of intersectionality? Nadella could still be accused of having male privilege in spite of being non-White. And your analysis is very shallow. Of course speech was "free" in the legal sense, that is not the issue. The issue is that even though his honest opinion was that in the long run, women's approach might not be a big disadvantage, he was forced to recant and give the "right" answer.
- tomlock 11y ago
  I am easily amused and I also know what intersectionality is. I'm interested in why you have the perspective that Satya was being honest and then recanted, since he pretty clearly stated that he misspoke, and it is easy to see how he misspoke. My perspective is he was speaking in terms of how tech ought to be for women, but failed to mention that the situation for women was currently different. The idea that women ought to be able to trust the system is a given, but Satya didn't say "but it currently isn't so" and in his apology he cleared that up. Good on him!
  - formulaT 11y ago
    My perspective is he was speaking in terms of how tech ought to be for women, but failed to mention that the situation for women was currently different. That's just completely wrong, watch the video again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndm_RSvAgO4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndm_RSvAgO4
    - tomlock 11y ago
      I disagree. Could you help me understand why you think he backed down rather than just clarifying his comments?
      - formulaT 11y ago
        If you watch the video, there is nothing that suggests Satya is not talking about the way things are in the workplace, not they way they should be. I just don't see where you are getting this idea from. Do you have a single source for this?
yummyfajitas 11y ago
Its not an uncommon use of "white male". Most of the media describes Asians in tech as white - it is the only way to preserve the narrative.
- DanBC 11y ago
  > Most of the media describes Asians in tech as white Do you have any examples?
  - yummyfajitas 11y ago
    For example, "Google Admits it Hires Too Many White Dudes" or "Amazon’s Diversity Report Is Another White-Male-Dominated Tech Story". http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/28/google-admits-it-hires-too-many-white-dudes/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/28/google-admits-it-hires-too-... http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/03/amazon-diversity-2014/ http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/03/amazon-diversity-2014/ (Both reports show that Asians are overrepresented, white people represented, and others underrepresented.)
    - DanBC 11y ago
      You said "Most of the media describes Asians in tech as white - it is the only way to preserve the narrative." Neither of those articles - from a single source - describe Asians as white; Asian is explicitly broken out as a seperate category and described as a minority. "It’s no better on the race front, either, with the highest minority being Asian at 34% in tech and next to non-existent in anything else." Did you miss the fact that Asians are only "overrepresented" in tech, and not in other parts of Google? Amazon doesn't break the job types into tech and non tech. They do Amazon everything and Amazon management. But even that tech crunch report shows that they have seperated out white, Asian, black, hispanic, and other. These are weak examples considering the claim you made.

detcader 11y ago

Women are photoshopped and presented as objects in the mainstream media. Women are constantly getting in trouble or losing their jobs for saying the wrong thing, e.g. "no" to sex and harassment.