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> Angular 2 is built for tomorrow. If tomorrow means we're going to give up serving any HTML on first render and pretend that performance doesn't matter, then

by djm_ 11y ago

> Angular 2 is built for tomorrow. If tomorrow means we're going to give up serving any HTML on first render and pretend that performance doesn't matter, then yes, it's built for tomorrow. As an aside: Meteor is in the same slowly sinking boat. React is not as you can easily render server side before pushing that initial page to the client.

bsimpson 11y ago
It's all coming around. React taught the value in using a virtual DOM for isomorphic rendering. Ember is adopting it with Fastboot, and I'm sure Angular will end up doing something similar.
quaunaut 11y ago
I'm not an Angular user(Ember here), but in time all of the major frameworks will allow for serverside rendering. The React model works very well, and most projects are taking a lot of ideas from it. Ember will have fastboot in a couple of months to match the same idea, and it won't even require any custom code- it'll be little more than 'drop in, run server', and you're good for life. I expect a lot of other frameworks take a similar approach not long from now.
- djm_ 11y ago
  It's really great to hear that, thank you. Nice to know the performance crowd's rants are eventually being heard.
  - quaunaut 11y ago
    Yup. And Ember's getting even ridiculously fast post-load, too, thanks to Glimmer. When it comes out, it should be the fastest full-fledged framework. I'm sure the others will catch up super soon though!
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ralusek 11y ago
So much misinformation here. For one, Angular 2 will allow for server side rendering as well, as it doesn't rely on a DOM. Secondly (and I already linked this in a separate comment), I built a very ugly but effective reddit angular client that receives no HTML whatsoever and renders pretty much instantly. This is in Angular 1.3 and much slower than Angular 2.0: http://bredd.it.s3-website-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/ http://bredd.it.s3-website-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/

by djm_ 11y ago

bsimpson 11y ago

It's all coming around. React taught the value in using a virtual DOM for isomorphic rendering. Ember is adopting it with Fastboot, and I'm sure Angular will end up doing something similar.

quaunaut 11y ago

I'm not an Angular user(Ember here), but in time all of the major frameworks will allow for serverside rendering. The React model works very well, and most projects are taking a lot of ideas from it. Ember will have fastboot in a couple of months to match the same idea, and it won't even require any custom code- it'll be little more than 'drop in, run server', and you're good for life. I expect a lot of other frameworks take a similar approach not long from now.

djm_ 11y ago
It's really great to hear that, thank you. Nice to know the performance crowd's rants are eventually being heard.
- quaunaut 11y ago
  Yup. And Ember's getting even ridiculously fast post-load, too, thanks to Glimmer. When it comes out, it should be the fastest full-fledged framework. I'm sure the others will catch up super soon though!

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ralusek 11y ago

So much misinformation here. For one, Angular 2 will allow for server side rendering as well, as it doesn't rely on a DOM. Secondly (and I already linked this in a separate comment), I built a very ugly but effective reddit angular client that receives no HTML whatsoever and renders pretty much instantly. This is in Angular 1.3 and much slower than Angular 2.0: http://bredd.it.s3-website-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/ http://bredd.it.s3-website-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/