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(French Engineer inside) The project looks awesome obviously. What you need to know out of the context with it's director (Xavier Niel), is the guy is an ace o

by Dralon 12y ago

(French Engineer inside) The project looks awesome obviously. What you need to know out of the context with it's director (Xavier Niel), is the guy is an ace of communication. Looking a little more into details and feedbacks from people who did the school, it's a VERY different story. I would highly doubt anything that comes to the communication about 42. Probably the vision is achievable, I'm not sure it is by this school.

baby 12y ago
> Looking a little more into details and feedbacks from people who did the school, it's a VERY different story. I'm curious to know where are those people who came out of42. The school opened like 4 years ago right? So the first graduates must have been last year. If you have any stories to share I'm curious :)
- negrit 12y ago
  Actually there are no graduates yet.
- xeope 12y ago
  > If you have any stories to share I'm curious :) I did 42 for 1 year. Now I'm working as sysadmin. During the first year, we had projets with limited time (depends on the difficulty, from 1 to 6 weeks). We had 2/3 projets at the same time. This school is kinda like Epitech. The staff is composed by students (I was one of them, I joined them after 3/4 month of learning at 42) and people who came from Epitech (sysadmins, 'teachers', web dev). Yes, there is a kind of 'teachers'. They create the first videos, the subjects (mostly taken from Epitech too :)) But this year, there was a big change. Now student can create subjects, videos. The projects are not limited in time. We are not working for 100hours/week, but a lot of people are at school for more than 50hours/week. This depends on their faculty to learn and their motivation. But... There is some bad points for 42. There is no labs. There is no books. There is no English class (as you can see with my poor english :) ), no math class, no French class (and a lot of people really need it....). When you see people reading the man pages in french, you feel sad for them. Whe you see people not able to do some math, you feel sad for them too. And, seriously, a library or some labs for the students can be a good thing. 42 is a cool thing for people who have not the 'baccalauréat'. I dont have this degree but thanks 42, now I have a great job. If I had this degree, my choice for a school might be something like ENSIMAG / ENSEIRB, but definitly not Epita / Epitech. Btw. > In fact, 40 percent of École 42’s students haven’t finished high school. Others have graduated from Stanford or MIT or other prestigious institutions. Why someone from a prestigious school would like to come to 42 ?
  - zipeldiablo 12y ago
    Why having an english or french class when the school is actually paying so we can follow online course on a website like babel??? (don't remember the name). Truth is some people are lazy and don't want to bother learning another language.
    - xeope 12y ago
      It's optional. It does not give credits/point/xp whatever if you do it. So they don't go on it. Sometimes they may not know the existence of this thing.
- pandark 12y ago
  42 opened in mid/late 2013.
erispoe 12y ago
Xavier Niel is the founder, not the director. He donated money for it. He's one of the only french businessmen having actually disturbed anything in France, a country where "innovation" is usually driven by publicly owned big companies and public grants. He has driven telecommunication prices down dramatically with his internet provider company, and then his mobile phone carrier. Internet is cheap in France mainly thanks to him. I trust him probably more than anybody else in France to actually achieve something disturbing the system in place, precisely because he's one of the very very few that has done it before and he does not come from the elite making system of "grandes écoles". Amusing fact, he started his fortune with sex messaging newtorks on the french precursor of internet, the Minitel.
- baby 12y ago
  > Internet is cheap in France mainly thanks to him. And I'm pretty sure we have one of the best offers in the world for mobile plans thanks to him as well. I haven't seen a lot of places in the world where you can get pay on the go unlimited calls/texts/data for such low prices (10€/m)
  - Xixi 12y ago
    The downside of Free is that they fight mostly on price. They did interesting things with mobile plans, but mainly they drive the prices down, and everything else with it (speed, quality, etc.). France used to have some of the best internet access in the world, only behind the like of South Korea or Japan. Now it's down to #30 [1]. Same (or even worse) for mobile networks: 4G took forever to come to France. Investing in better infrastructures is expensive, and ROI is just not there to be on the cutting edge anymore. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_c...
    - alandarev 12y ago
      I would not hurry up blaming the prices. We can have a look at USA with probably the most expensive internet / mobile plans and worst internet (excluding undeveloped countries). On the other hand, there are many emerging EU countries like Lithuania, where you can get stable 4G across a country for 5 eur/month.

by Dralon 12y ago

baby 12y ago

> Looking a little more into details and feedbacks from people who did the school, it's a VERY different story. I'm curious to know where are those people who came out of42. The school opened like 4 years ago right? So the first graduates must have been last year. If you have any stories to share I'm curious :)

negrit 12y ago
Actually there are no graduates yet.
xeope 12y ago
> If you have any stories to share I'm curious :) I did 42 for 1 year. Now I'm working as sysadmin. During the first year, we had projets with limited time (depends on the difficulty, from 1 to 6 weeks). We had 2/3 projets at the same time. This school is kinda like Epitech. The staff is composed by students (I was one of them, I joined them after 3/4 month of learning at 42) and people who came from Epitech (sysadmins, 'teachers', web dev). Yes, there is a kind of 'teachers'. They create the first videos, the subjects (mostly taken from Epitech too :)) But this year, there was a big change. Now student can create subjects, videos. The projects are not limited in time. We are not working for 100hours/week, but a lot of people are at school for more than 50hours/week. This depends on their faculty to learn and their motivation. But... There is some bad points for 42. There is no labs. There is no books. There is no English class (as you can see with my poor english :) ), no math class, no French class (and a lot of people really need it....). When you see people reading the man pages in french, you feel sad for them. Whe you see people not able to do some math, you feel sad for them too. And, seriously, a library or some labs for the students can be a good thing. 42 is a cool thing for people who have not the 'baccalauréat'. I dont have this degree but thanks 42, now I have a great job. If I had this degree, my choice for a school might be something like ENSIMAG / ENSEIRB, but definitly not Epita / Epitech. Btw. > In fact, 40 percent of École 42’s students haven’t finished high school. Others have graduated from Stanford or MIT or other prestigious institutions. Why someone from a prestigious school would like to come to 42 ?
- zipeldiablo 12y ago
  Why having an english or french class when the school is actually paying so we can follow online course on a website like babel??? (don't remember the name). Truth is some people are lazy and don't want to bother learning another language.
  - xeope 12y ago
    It's optional. It does not give credits/point/xp whatever if you do it. So they don't go on it. Sometimes they may not know the existence of this thing.
pandark 12y ago
42 opened in mid/late 2013.

erispoe 12y ago

Xavier Niel is the founder, not the director. He donated money for it. He's one of the only french businessmen having actually disturbed anything in France, a country where "innovation" is usually driven by publicly owned big companies and public grants. He has driven telecommunication prices down dramatically with his internet provider company, and then his mobile phone carrier. Internet is cheap in France mainly thanks to him. I trust him probably more than anybody else in France to actually achieve something disturbing the system in place, precisely because he's one of the very very few that has done it before and he does not come from the elite making system of "grandes écoles". Amusing fact, he started his fortune with sex messaging newtorks on the french precursor of internet, the Minitel.

baby 12y ago
> Internet is cheap in France mainly thanks to him. And I'm pretty sure we have one of the best offers in the world for mobile plans thanks to him as well. I haven't seen a lot of places in the world where you can get pay on the go unlimited calls/texts/data for such low prices (10€/m)
- Xixi 12y ago
  The downside of Free is that they fight mostly on price. They did interesting things with mobile plans, but mainly they drive the prices down, and everything else with it (speed, quality, etc.). France used to have some of the best internet access in the world, only behind the like of South Korea or Japan. Now it's down to #30 [1]. Same (or even worse) for mobile networks: 4G took forever to come to France. Investing in better infrastructures is expensive, and ROI is just not there to be on the cutting edge anymore. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_c...
  - alandarev 12y ago
    I would not hurry up blaming the prices. We can have a look at USA with probably the most expensive internet / mobile plans and worst internet (excluding undeveloped countries). On the other hand, there are many emerging EU countries like Lithuania, where you can get stable 4G across a country for 5 eur/month.