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This may be the case in the US. However in the UK, doctors are scared to prescribe pain killers. As someone who suffers from chronic pain (accident early 2012),

This may be the case in the US. However in the UK, doctors are scared to prescribe pain killers. As someone who suffers from chronic pain (accident early 2012), it took two years to get even close to adequate pain medication (from a pain specialist in the end). I work hard and if there was a better option than pain killers, I'd happily pursue it. Being tarred with the same brush as addicts is quite offensive. Also, I have a BMI in the mid 20's so further exercise isn't going to help.

DanBC 12y ago
That's not being scared, that entirely appropriate prescribing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9402507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9402507 Many people in the UK end up addicted to pain medication after inappropriate prescribing of opiate meds to treat long term pain. You should be angry about the length of time it took to get you to a pain clinic, not about doctor's decision not to prescribe meds that are both addictive and often ineffective. Also, "lose weight and do psysiotherapy guided exercise" might not have been right for you but it is good advice for many people with long term pain.
facetube 12y ago
I've had chronic pain in the past that's probably far more minor than yours, and it sucks. But for what it's worth, I've found that the mental effects of exercise are far more dramatic than the physical ones – paradoxically, even running until I'm sore and exhausted seems to relieve more pain over the following two to three days than it causes. Maybe worth considering. Anyway, hope you're trending toward better.
tmp-20150107 12y ago
Hell, in the UK doctors often won't even prescribe addicts Methadone. For example, I had to go to a separate service, the CDPS (Community Drug Problem Service, says it all, really) where you are basically treated like criminal scum, no matter what your background is. I gave up on the scheme when my assessor didn't believe I wasn't homeless, had a real job and had never been in prison...
tmp-20150107 12y ago
> Being tarred with the same brush as addicts is quite offensive Actually, that attitude itself is offensive. Addiction is a serious mental health problem, and should not be stigmatized.
- facetube 12y ago
  Agree wholeheartedly. Even beyond the acute condition itself, it's been shown that there are genetic factors that likely increase cravings for certain drugs, and may predict development of dependence. For alcoholism, OPRM1 A118G has some substantial evidence behind it. Shaming people for drug addiction isn't any different than shaming a diabetic IMO.
  - velox_io 12y ago
    Yes, some may have a genetic disposition, but they still have choices. There is a difference between substance abuse and treating a medical condition. Simply down voting people because you disagree with them isn't cool IMO. edit: Myself (and many others) have also been stigmatised from getting the correct medication because of a fear becoming addicts.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      You're being downvoted for your stigmatising ignorant comments about people with addiction. Downvote to disagree is going to happen; it's not forbidden on HN (PG has a post somewhere talking about the acceptability of using downvote to disagree) although there are a large number of people who strongly dislike downvote to disagree.
    - facetube 12y ago
      People with depression have choices. People with OCD have choices. People with diabetes have choices. People with schizophrenia have choices. Having choices doesn't disqualify something from being a medical condition.
    - DanBC 12y ago
      > Myself (and many others) have also been stigmatised from getting the correct medication because of a fear becoming addicts. No. For most people with long term pain opiate meds are the wrong choice. Those people need rapid access to specialist pain clinics; cbt for pain; short term pain meds to enable them to take part in physiotherapist guided exercise; and possibly weightloss. Opiate pain meds for long term use are not effective for most people; and are addictive. It is wrong to give someone a med that won't work and that has side effects and that carries a risk of addiction when there are less risky, non-addicting, better solutions to try first.
hn_ 12y ago
Chronic pain is very tough and opioids shouldn't just be thrown at it. I've known two people with chronic pain that have gotten addicted to their pain medication... then they didn't even work anymore. So they ended up with addition in addition to their chronic pain. This outcome in a very very real (and very common) concern. These people didn't want to become addicts and weren't taking Oxy for thrills...
sukilot 12y ago
Mid-20s is borderline overweight. A naturally skinny average height person who never exercises has BMI ~24. Varies by height and build of course. http://www.vertex42.com/ExcelTemplates/Images/body-mass-index-chart.gif http://www.vertex42.com/ExcelTemplates/Images/body-mass-inde...

DanBC 12y ago

That's not being scared, that entirely appropriate prescribing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9402507 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9402507 Many people in the UK end up addicted to pain medication after inappropriate prescribing of opiate meds to treat long term pain. You should be angry about the length of time it took to get you to a pain clinic, not about doctor's decision not to prescribe meds that are both addictive and often ineffective. Also, "lose weight and do psysiotherapy guided exercise" might not have been right for you but it is good advice for many people with long term pain.

facetube 12y ago

I've had chronic pain in the past that's probably far more minor than yours, and it sucks. But for what it's worth, I've found that the mental effects of exercise are far more dramatic than the physical ones – paradoxically, even running until I'm sore and exhausted seems to relieve more pain over the following two to three days than it causes. Maybe worth considering. Anyway, hope you're trending toward better.

tmp-20150107 12y ago

Hell, in the UK doctors often won't even prescribe addicts Methadone. For example, I had to go to a separate service, the CDPS (Community Drug Problem Service, says it all, really) where you are basically treated like criminal scum, no matter what your background is. I gave up on the scheme when my assessor didn't believe I wasn't homeless, had a real job and had never been in prison...

tmp-20150107 12y ago

> Being tarred with the same brush as addicts is quite offensive Actually, that attitude itself is offensive. Addiction is a serious mental health problem, and should not be stigmatized.

facetube 12y ago
Agree wholeheartedly. Even beyond the acute condition itself, it's been shown that there are genetic factors that likely increase cravings for certain drugs, and may predict development of dependence. For alcoholism, OPRM1 A118G has some substantial evidence behind it. Shaming people for drug addiction isn't any different than shaming a diabetic IMO.
- velox_io 12y ago
  Yes, some may have a genetic disposition, but they still have choices. There is a difference between substance abuse and treating a medical condition. Simply down voting people because you disagree with them isn't cool IMO. edit: Myself (and many others) have also been stigmatised from getting the correct medication because of a fear becoming addicts.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    You're being downvoted for your stigmatising ignorant comments about people with addiction. Downvote to disagree is going to happen; it's not forbidden on HN (PG has a post somewhere talking about the acceptability of using downvote to disagree) although there are a large number of people who strongly dislike downvote to disagree.
  - facetube 12y ago
    People with depression have choices. People with OCD have choices. People with diabetes have choices. People with schizophrenia have choices. Having choices doesn't disqualify something from being a medical condition.
  - DanBC 12y ago
    > Myself (and many others) have also been stigmatised from getting the correct medication because of a fear becoming addicts. No. For most people with long term pain opiate meds are the wrong choice. Those people need rapid access to specialist pain clinics; cbt for pain; short term pain meds to enable them to take part in physiotherapist guided exercise; and possibly weightloss. Opiate pain meds for long term use are not effective for most people; and are addictive. It is wrong to give someone a med that won't work and that has side effects and that carries a risk of addiction when there are less risky, non-addicting, better solutions to try first.

hn_ 12y ago

Chronic pain is very tough and opioids shouldn't just be thrown at it. I've known two people with chronic pain that have gotten addicted to their pain medication... then they didn't even work anymore. So they ended up with addition in addition to their chronic pain. This outcome in a very very real (and very common) concern. These people didn't want to become addicts and weren't taking Oxy for thrills...

sukilot 12y ago

Mid-20s is borderline overweight. A naturally skinny average height person who never exercises has BMI ~24. Varies by height and build of course. http://www.vertex42.com/ExcelTemplates/Images/body-mass-index-chart.gif http://www.vertex42.com/ExcelTemplates/Images/body-mass-inde...