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This seems exactly like the same worries that have always surrounded automated production and have always resulted in long-term improvements in quality of life.

This seems exactly like the same worries that have always surrounded automated production and have always resulted in long-term improvements in quality of life. The article claims that AI could be different, but suggests no reasons why.

ThomPete 12y ago
I am not sure what you mean. If AI replaces higher and higher levels of abstract thinking then it's always been true and in fact if you look at job creation per decade. https://plot.ly/~BethS/8/job-growth-by-decade-in-the-united-states/ https://plot.ly/~BethS/8/job-growth-by-decade-in-the-united-... Its shows something else than the claim that technology replaces the jobs that are lost due to technology. And even more specific numbers http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/destroying.jobs_.chart1x910_0.jpg http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/d... Shows how production output and employment is separating. What have been clowding this reality is in fact the cost of products and globalization which made it look like job growth would be steady in the west and then spread to the rest of the world. The reality is that job growth have been declining decady by decade and even worse so. The jobs that are left are either very very well paid but few or grossly underpaid (but still priced logically compared to it's relative value. "The ludite fallacy" is in fact itself a fallacy. How many cars are still occupied as serious transportation means in the West? We are simply a higher level animal than the horse but also our skills can be replaced. Hardware and software continues to evolve, we don't.
- protonfish 12y ago
  Pointing to graphs showing decreased U.S. job growth without mention of the loss of labor union power or export of manufacturing overseas is ignorant in the extreme. Tyranny looks the same economically irrespective of technology.
  - ThomPete 12y ago
    Pray tell. How does loos of labor union power or manufacturing overseas by any metrics detract from my point?

ThomPete 12y ago

I am not sure what you mean. If AI replaces higher and higher levels of abstract thinking then it's always been true and in fact if you look at job creation per decade. https://plot.ly/~BethS/8/job-growth-by-decade-in-the-united-states/ https://plot.ly/~BethS/8/job-growth-by-decade-in-the-united-... Its shows something else than the claim that technology replaces the jobs that are lost due to technology. And even more specific numbers http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/destroying.jobs_.chart1x910_0.jpg http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/d... Shows how production output and employment is separating. What have been clowding this reality is in fact the cost of products and globalization which made it look like job growth would be steady in the west and then spread to the rest of the world. The reality is that job growth have been declining decady by decade and even worse so. The jobs that are left are either very very well paid but few or grossly underpaid (but still priced logically compared to it's relative value. "The ludite fallacy" is in fact itself a fallacy. How many cars are still occupied as serious transportation means in the West? We are simply a higher level animal than the horse but also our skills can be replaced. Hardware and software continues to evolve, we don't.

protonfish 12y ago
Pointing to graphs showing decreased U.S. job growth without mention of the loss of labor union power or export of manufacturing overseas is ignorant in the extreme. Tyranny looks the same economically irrespective of technology.
- ThomPete 12y ago
  Pray tell. How does loos of labor union power or manufacturing overseas by any metrics detract from my point?