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About Liberland
- espectalll123 12y ago:3
- espectalll123 12y agoHonestly, I find a purely libertarian country to be an exciting and great project. Yet it may be too great to be achieved. With a territory of just 7 km^2 and with almost nothing at all already done (no people, no economy, no buildings, no services…) it pretty much seems as an utopic idea and like the country won't last too much. Just hope they get some progress soon…
- Y-bar 12y ago> a purely libertarian country … which does not accept citizenship requests from Syrians, Kurds, Arabs, Russians and Chinese … Not very libertarian in my opinion. (Source: http://liberland.org/en/forum/?threadID=5510225855311e5b0b0cf http://liberland.org/en/forum/?threadID=5510225855311e5b0b0c...)
- cesarbs 12y agoThat was a troll post (see other comments in this thread).
- didimyr 12y agohi im arab girl from jordan and i live in the gulf ,im a normal girl in a secularism mind ,educated my specialized is a pharm D pharmacis,, im a young creative ambitious women and we will invest on your country my doughtar has an amirican citizen ,,my husband is educated too,,he has MIS uni degree graduated from american university,,he is successful on his work,,we want to build your country with you,,and im not applied yet so i want to apply but i shocked when you say we dont want arab,,,so can i apply and accept me plz we are classy people
- fasteo 12y agoJust for reference, this country is about the size of a soccer field [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measurement#Football_field_.28area.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_units_of_measur...
- Oletros 12y ago7 km^2 doesn't equal 7.140 m^2, is is 1.000 times bigger
- Oletros 12y ago> Hi there friends . Our country is a new establishment . Many people are asking me for citizenship. Our country is so small only 3.000-4.000 people accepted. We are expanding to fill the Danube. Please; Syrian, Kurds, Arabs, Russians and Chinese are not write me. Because we will not accept them. A good start for a country called Liberland, I expect that it is just a trollish post
- elmar 12y agoIt doesn't make sense, a libertarian country should accept any race.
- digi_owl 12y agoWhat, you expect consistency from libertarians? ;)
- vezzy-fnord 12y agoWell, if you take the maxim of propertarianism to its limit, then you should be able to exclude anyone for any reason. This is what people like, e.g. Hans Hermann-Hoppe advocate, with proposals of anarcho-capitalist societies that end up sounding like isolationist dystopias. His views on democracy are interesting, however. Either that or I suppose not even libertarianism can trump Balkan relations.
- ende 12y agoThat latter is a force to be reckoned with.
- dataker 12y agoIn theory, but for an early country it's a long shot. With many races, you'd have to handle many different cultures and give out some of that freedom in exchange for equality.
- g1236627 12y agoThey are liberals not libertarians.
- c3o 12y agoWikipedia has some more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland
- kiba 12y agoI'll believe it when it is successful. Running a country is hard, ideology or not.
- tacone 12y agoHello Liberland, welcome to the 21st century, where you can't call yourself a sovereign nation until you get your own first level domain. (and even then...)
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- icebraining 12y agoNowadays they probably could get one - all they need is $250k and a few servers. ".liber" is still unclaimed: https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...
- psykovsky 12y agoThat feat was a hell lot more difficult in the last century, you know?
- al2o3cr 12y agoWill they be setting up a free market for children? https://mises.org/library/children-and-rights https://mises.org/library/children-and-rights
- gpvos 12y agoWell, that was an interesting read. There are going to be a lot of children with attachment disorders in such libertarian countries.
- jerf 12y agoAre you seriously proposing that the primary reason that people invest in their children is that it is mandated by law? I understand how people want to give the government credit for a lot of things, but are you really going to hand them credit for your own care for your children? (I suspect this falls under the category of "being in such a hurry to say bad things about someone you disagree with that you don't stop to think the full implications of the insult through".)
- drdaeman 12y agoI seriously wonder what would be the reason to have a child (or to keep a pregnancy) if a person don't want one and is not going to feed/care for one. Guess, even the weirdest pro-pregnancy activist would figure out abortion would be a much more humane way of killing than starving to death.
- wyager 12y ago>There are going to be a lot of children with attachment disorders in such libertarian countries. If the only reason you wouldn't sell children is because it's illegal, you should really never have kids.
- Frondo 12y agoIf you end up with a child you don't want, don't sweat! You can let him or her starve to death. From the linked article: "But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die.[2] The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive."
- denzil_correa 12y agoOh, a Micron-nation. Not the first one though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_micronations
- TazeTSchnitzel 12y agoI'd think a micron-nation to be quite different to a micro-nation.
- gpvos 12y agoA lot smaller, for starters.
- jamiesonbecker 12y agoSo what is the theoretical population limit for a micron-nation?
- gpvos 12y agoI guess it depends roughly on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. (A micron is a micrometre, which is a thousandth of a millimetre.)
- jamiesonbecker 12y agoThat's a hard point. What if the micron-nation is inhabited entirely by selfless individuals?
- mikeash 12y agoAbout 1e-12, assuming the density limit is about one person per square meter, and a micron nation is about one square micrometer.
- Thiz 12y agoStart with prostitution, drugs and alcohol and you will see an inflow of cash to get it all started.
- funkyy 12y agoThe one thing that project fails to see is that no small nation can be independent without full and unrestricted access to sea or at least proper airport. Sounds like the idea was created by utopians or hobbyist rather than people that know anything about creating country. Or scammers, but hopefully thats not the case.
- elmar 12y agoLandlocked countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlocked_country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlocked_country Some very small countries examples: San Marino, Liechtenstein, Andorra.
- funkyy 12y agoI didn't said it is impossible, I said it will not allow you to be truly independent. San Marino - under Italian influence. Liechtenstein - Germany. Andorra - Spanish/French. If you would do research on them you would see how many things they are not allowed to do by their neighbor. And how many things the country is forced to do. If they would start making issues, they would be just destroyed by economical blockage. MAJORITY of landlocked countries are dependent on others. Only countries with established history and reputation can to some extent be independent, like Switzerland.
- nextos 12y agoIt has access to the Danube, which is more or less an international waterway: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube_Commission_(1948) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube_Commission_(1948)
- funkyy 12y agoIts not hard to block the river, isn't it. That is why I said "unrestricted". And if you think that international laws will prevent it, well Ukraine get rid of nuclear weapons and got GUARANTEES by Russia, US, China, France and few more countries they will protect it in case of any kind of aggression.
- toyg 12y agoIt looks like its success depends on Croatian attitude. Basically, Serbs believe that anything West of the Danube in that area is Croatia, whereas Croatians argue that borders are more complicated (apparently following the old path of the Danube, which has long changed). As part of the complication, this territory is left unclaimed by Croatia because, following the disputed border, it would be Serb; but Serbia doesn't care about it, because it's West of the Danube and they're happy sitting on the Eastern bank. Basically, the minute Croatia accepted the current state of things (which they will probably have to do, once Serbia joins the EU), they would likely take over anything West of the Danube, ending "Liberland". As it is, they have to decide whether maintaining their (likely doomed) claims is worth accepting this "Liberland" entity trolling on their border.
- nsajko 12y agoWhy exactly do you think the Serbian claim has more merit?
- toyg 12y agoI don't think it has "more merit", but pragmatically: 1) if Serbia joins the EU, borders disappear because of Schengen, it becomes a somewhat-academic debate, Serbia keeps control of the Eastern bank. 2) if Serbia does not join the EU, borders stay in place, no EU state is ever going to help Croatia go to war for a few square-km of Balkan swamps, Serbia keeps control of the Eastern bank. From this point of view, the incentive for Croatia is to extoll the maximum amount of compensation it can as part of the EU membership process of Serbia, because it's unlikely it will ever get anything more. Then again, this would assume rational actors, and the history of those lands is full of extremely irrational ones, so...
- Someone 12y agoRational actors do not need to resolve border disputes quickly. For example, there has been a border dispute between Germany and the Netherlands for centuries about what part of the Ems-Dollart waterways belongs to whom. Even when, after World War Two, there was significant discussion about the border, resulting in small shifts of the border (http://archive.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/limitsinseas/ibs031.pdf http://archive.law.fsu.edu/library/collection/limitsinseas/i...), this didn't get resolved. Result is that, in 2011, Google maps didn't really know where to put the border (http://www.thelocal.de/20110221/33241 http://www.thelocal.de/20110221/33241) This conflict was finally 'resolved' in 2014 by deciding that the border will remain ambiguous (http://www.dw.de/germany-and-the-netherlands-end-centuries-old-border-dispute/a-18020219 http://www.dw.de/germany-and-the-netherlands-end-centuries-o...)
- joliv 12y ago"Third smallest sovereign state?" Atlantium would beg to differ ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Atlantium http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Atlantium
- father_of_two 12y ago"I have a football team, therefore I exist." I'm sure Descartes would rephrase his famous though to something like the above, had he been contemporaneous of us (and tweet it as well). These Liberlandeers need to create a proper national football team first to be recognized. Being between Croatia and Serbia, they should have no problem in getting good players. Almost all of these European micro-states have national football teams which compete. Even Gibraltar has a team now (their home games are in Portugal). Vaticano doesn't have a team though, and I don't remember seeing Monaco as well.
- presty 12y agotrue that Monaco doesn't have a national team, but there is a team bearing it's name and in the principality, AS Monaco, who plays in the Ligue 1 (and will be playing the 2nd leg of the quarter finals of the champions league against Juventus) :)
- dagw 12y agoBoth Vatican and Monaco technically have national football teams, but neither are FIFA members and thus don't participate in international tournaments.
- morgante 12y agoWhy is there a Facebook logo in the footer, which simply links to Facebook?
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