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Last.Backend – Visual Docker Containers Orchestration

100 points by lastbackend 11y ago

Zekio 11y ago
Looks very promising from my point of view, i do hope you will make site compatible with project spartan when it is done(both browser and site ofc)
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Hi, Thx! Yeah we are working for spartan support. I hope we'll support it in few weeks. Can you please send us a more feedback? We need all opinions to make Last.Backend better and better. Have a nice day!
  - Zekio 11y ago
    the biggest problem while using Project spartan is that the left side bar menu is not working properly, you can open them and then you can only see is the "Add new image" button, which doesn't work in project spartan either, but otherwise it seems everything else seem to work like it does in Developer edition firefox
    - lastbackend 11y ago
      Ok. We'll try to fix it as soon as possible. May I contact you when we'll be testing spartan supported version?
hmottestad 11y ago
Looks absolutely beautiful. Every time I read about linking containers I start wondering if they have fixed the proxy scenario. Essentially, multiple DBs that need to connected to a proxy, when you bring up a new DB you don't want to have to restart the proxy container in order to update the links. I know docker is built to link from application server to db, and not the other way around. So for our production server we have each DB create an apache config file and then hot reload the apache server.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Hi! Yeah, this is known problem and we tried to fix it. Last.Backend has an internal service discovery and internal DNS system. With Last.Backend you can forgot about this :) This system provide linking between different servers. If you have some feedback - please provide us! We need it! ) Thx a lot for comment :)
- ossreality 11y ago
  Kubernetes solves this trivially with service proxies.
chrisweekly 11y ago
This looks really compelling. The home page is nicely designed -- but I have some constructive feedback on the copy, which is understandable but clearly not written by a native English speaker. "Development and deployment never been so simple" The grammar error here is a little jarring to native English speakers, and it's particularly noticeable because it's in the tagline. Fixing that would make a better first impression. "Development and deployment have never been so simple" would work better, IMHO. Or perhaps you'd prefer "Development and deployment made simple", in keeping with the terse / minimalist theme. While I'm at it, a few other minor corrections, in roughly decreasing importance the further down the page we go: "GitHub and BitBucket integrations allows you automate DevOps." should be "GitHub and BitBucket integrations allow you to automate DevOps." "Servers and Clouds linking" should probably be "Link Servers and Clouds" for verb consistency with previous headings; "Create... Build... Link... Manage... " is consistent, whereas "Create... Build... ..Linking... Manage..." is not. "You can link your server to Last.Backend with special command. Just copy it and execute in a terminal." could be "You can link your server to Last.Backend with a special command. Just copy it and execute it in a terminal." Finally, "Just look at scheme and you can see what's going on. Color element indication provide all information about all warning and problems. Logs output gives you ability to know much more." could be improved as "Just look at the scheme to see what's going on. Colored elements convey information about warnings and problems at a glance. Log output provides the ability to know much more." (or similar) HTH! :)
- lastbackend 11y ago
  WOW! That's amazing! We'll correct it in few minutes!! Thx a lot. Please contact us. I have some offer for you :)
  - rentnorove 11y ago
    Along the same lines, "How it works?" isn't quite right. Should probably be "How does it work?".
    - lastbackend 11y ago
grimborg 11y ago
I'd love to try it, but when signing up with github it wants to be granted access to all my organizations, which I cannot allow (I only want to grant it access to my repos, not my employer's!). Any way around this?
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- lastbackend 11y ago
  We'll add this necessarily option. It's really helpful comment. Thx a lot!
CornishPasty 11y ago
Looks great, although I was put off when the instructions to add a server used a goo.gl URL, and then piped the output into a sudo shell... Would be nice if it used your own domain (HTTPS is essential!) and if the script didn't require super user from the outset (or perhaps it could explain what it is going to do, and then request super user permissions)
- lastbackend 11y ago
  You are right! It's temporary option. We are testing new installer, located on our domain! HTTPS will be on next week. It's the first update for next week!
m00dy 11y ago
I think that this product might have a great potential. Keep going guys, i like it even tough i don't test it all.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Thanks a lot! I hope you'll like it!
ape4 11y ago
Every time somebody proposes a visual programming environment it seems good until you look at the details.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  With your comments and feedbacks we can create a really good platform. Your feedback is the most valuable point for us!
lclarkmichalek 11y ago
Did I really just see a screenshot telling the user to, on their server, pipe the contents of a non-HTTPS, goo.gl URL into a sudo bash? http://lastbackend.com/images/landing/timeline/deploy_2.png http://lastbackend.com/images/landing/timeline/deploy_2.png
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Yeah... sorry for that.. We will fix it on Monday also HTTPS. It's not good, but we tried to open product faster!
  - lclarkmichalek 11y ago
    Fair enough. Regardless, congrats on the release.
  - subway 11y ago
    Security should not be an afterthought. Especially not when you're trying to get me to trust my data to your platform.
    - lastbackend 11y ago
      You are right. But you can play with our platform this weekends, and on next week we'll opening agent to open-source and enable security. We have some delay with SSL delivery. :(
      - antocv 11y ago
        I, for one, aint playin with anything you build. You aint coming close to having sudo on any of my machines if I can help it. This shit with "enable security" as after-thought has to stop.
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_mikz 11y ago
Looks amazing. Will try it. Btw, check the pricing page in Mobile Safari. It looks quite off. The width is wrong the there is text overlapping in the first panel.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  We'll fixed soon! Our mobile version is not good now. We are focused on it now.
Sir_Substance 11y ago
Why is it necessary for me to sign up? Is it only for your metrics? Could this have been designed in a fashion that doesn't require me to roll another bloody account? Not so interested that I feel like opening one, sorry.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Hmm.. Why do you think so? Maybe we can discuss it by e-mail or skype. We need to know what's the reason you thinking so.
  - Sir_Substance 11y ago
    It's really quite simple. I'm on an anti-account binge, and have been for a while. Primarily, I just hate accounts. I have hundreds of them man. It's absurd. I don't bother trying to log in to most of them any more, if it's not a service I use every day I go directly to recovering the username and password, because I'll never get it in the three or five or 10 tries I'm allowed before the account is locked/they start giving me captchas. Often enough, that system breaks, and then I'm left having to email admins and beg them to help. That's always a fun coin to toss. So I don't make 'em any more, unless I literally have to. Quite seriously, the only new account I recall opening in the last two years is with the Australian government, because it was mandatory to do my tax return via that system. Maybe there's one or two others, I don't know. e: I remember the other one, it's this one! tada, own goal! I'm currently locked out of the government system, because their secret question/answer system didn't like my answers. I have to call them during business hours to fix it. I moved to another country recently, so that's going to be cheap and stuff. Secondarily, I'm starting to critique peoples use of accounts. Lots of people implement a username/password system when they don't need it, because it's easy to do so. As a developer myself, I am taking a stand against lazy development. Maybe I don't fully grasp your product (I'll be honest, the instant I saw "sign up now" my shutters went down), but it seems like a graphical docker container configuration management tool is less effective as a web app than a desktop app, and doesn't need an account system either way. For example, if you're using the accounts for saving flow setups, could that not be done with a combination of URL parameters (encoding customer specific data like IP addresses) and page ID's to a key-value database (with the benefit of data de-duplication), thus allowing me to save my work with a simple ctrl-d to bookmark it? As a side benefit, I can share it just by emailing it to people. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe your system really does need accounts, but I'm still not going to make one. I have to draw the line somewhere if I want this endless account sprawl to end.
jkbbwr 11y ago
Can you add a way to remove linked servers? I have a few ghost linked servers and they all have the same name
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Oh no... We'll notify you when we'll fix this issue :( Thx for comment.
Fiahil 11y ago
Wow, this is beautiful. Quick question, is it possible to have an archive of the logs for when I want to debug my crashing app? How much can I go back in time?
loceng 11y ago
More design suggestions, since that seems to be a trend in this thread: - "Development and deployment have never been so simple" on two lines, line break after "deployment"; "Development and deployment have never been so simple" - Autoplay the "Stack constructor" animation - Maybe add a automatic sliding for "Build and deploy apps" slides - Autoplay the "Link Servers and Clouds" - The "Watch video" should be right at the very top of page with a nice screengrab + big (>) play button in the middle - Any particular purpose for enclosing headers with : characters?
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Got it! Thx for comment!
chrisrxth 11y ago
This is awesome - I feel like this is the future of IaaS user experiences.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  We hope so! :)
tomseago 11y ago
Looks very promising. Like at the "stops me from building something I was about to build" level of promising. However, to get all the way there I need to know more about your team and generally anything else you can do that would build trust that you won't disappear, won't steal my data or access my servers, and won't get hacked - roughly in that order. Unfortunately, chances are good that we will need to go with more established services for now, but we'll definitely be keeping an eye on you guys to see how things progress.
tjbiddle 11y ago
Any plans to have direct integration with cloud providers (AWS, DO, etc.) so that the command doesn't need to be run by hand and we can instead just spin up servers directly?
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Yes. In few weeks will announce DO support, after AWS+Azure.
bestan 11y ago
When attaching my servers, the script executed fine. However, none of my servers are recognised. The list shows (2/1), but displays no names (2 empty strings that I can choose from). Couldn't get anything working. Anything I am doing wrong? P.S. couldn't send any message through neither Intercom nor support button at the top.
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Intercom will be working on next week. It's strange situation. We'll try to reproduce on testing stage. Thx you! I notify you via Intercom. Ok?
  - vbernat 11y ago
    I got the same problem (login: bernat). Running on plain Ubuntu 14.04. I have also tried to unlink the agent to relink them, but "Link new" button gives the landing page where we choose the free/non-free version. So now, I don't have any server instance... Also, I didn't log with GitHub because I didn't want to give write access to anything. You should give the option to only request the email address.
Animats 11y ago
Ooh, pretty! That's going to convince non-technical managers to use this service. Put that display on a big screen in the manager's office and they'll think they know what's going on. A display application like that would be useful for AWS, so you know roughly what's going on in your rented subcloud. With, of course, both big screen and phone app versions. From the other comments, it seems that this startup has a poor container management system but a great visualization tool. There are lots of container management systems (one written in Go was announced on HN yesterday) but many are still at the command line level for monitoring. Maybe this startup should pivot and do "cloud management visualization".
- moe 11y ago
  A display application like that would be useful for AWS Those have existed for a while, e.g. VisualOps[1]. [1] http://www.visualops.io/feature/ http://www.visualops.io/feature/
vancalapano 11y ago
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vancalapano 11y ago
Anyone looking for English native speakers skype tutors, visit http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers and get more than what you want and needed.
jjoe 11y ago
I'm as ticked off as anyone here regarding the blatant security lapse(s). But I must confess: The level of tenacity of OP is outstanding in light of all the strongly worded comments that've been directed at him/her (understandably deserved w.r.t security). I do think this is a commendable attitude to display in situations like this. It makes a noticeable difference. Here's hoping OP will turn things around.
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carpenoctem 11y ago
1. When signing in with Bitbucket, it tries to add ssh keys to r/w access all my repos. 2. Emails with dots not accepted by your sign up form 3. Drag and drop not working in firefox 4. I created Ubuntu 14 droplet with DigitalOcean, and inserted your "connect new servers" command there. Got result: Run agent on stack Error response from daemon: no such id: lb time="2015-04-18T16:33:03-04:00" level=fatal msg="Error: failed to remove one or more containers" When I'm trying to "run" my server into your app, I'm getting message "Available server instance not found"
chrisabrams 11y ago
I have no idea how to get started with your app. When I get to the app page, all I see is this: https://cloudup.com/c-7KrbFm_8g https://cloudup.com/c-7KrbFm_8g
- lastbackend 11y ago
  Wow.. Something new. How we can contact you to ask more questions? Can you please send us an email? (In bottom of main page).
vancalapano 11y ago
Anyone looking for English native speakers skype tutorials, visit http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers and get what you just need.
Zekio 11y ago
Is there going to a be a Desktop App / Version of the site? like with slack where you have access to the chat in an desktop app and in the browser Not an ad for slack just the only reference to what i meant i could think of right now

100 points by lastbackend 11y ago

Zekio 11y ago

Looks very promising from my point of view, i do hope you will make site compatible with project spartan when it is done(both browser and site ofc)

lastbackend 11y ago
Hi, Thx! Yeah we are working for spartan support. I hope we'll support it in few weeks. Can you please send us a more feedback? We need all opinions to make Last.Backend better and better. Have a nice day!
- Zekio 11y ago
  the biggest problem while using Project spartan is that the left side bar menu is not working properly, you can open them and then you can only see is the "Add new image" button, which doesn't work in project spartan either, but otherwise it seems everything else seem to work like it does in Developer edition firefox
  - lastbackend 11y ago
    Ok. We'll try to fix it as soon as possible. May I contact you when we'll be testing spartan supported version?

hmottestad 11y ago

Looks absolutely beautiful. Every time I read about linking containers I start wondering if they have fixed the proxy scenario. Essentially, multiple DBs that need to connected to a proxy, when you bring up a new DB you don't want to have to restart the proxy container in order to update the links. I know docker is built to link from application server to db, and not the other way around. So for our production server we have each DB create an apache config file and then hot reload the apache server.

lastbackend 11y ago
Hi! Yeah, this is known problem and we tried to fix it. Last.Backend has an internal service discovery and internal DNS system. With Last.Backend you can forgot about this :) This system provide linking between different servers. If you have some feedback - please provide us! We need it! ) Thx a lot for comment :)
ossreality 11y ago
Kubernetes solves this trivially with service proxies.

chrisweekly 11y ago

This looks really compelling. The home page is nicely designed -- but I have some constructive feedback on the copy, which is understandable but clearly not written by a native English speaker. "Development and deployment never been so simple" The grammar error here is a little jarring to native English speakers, and it's particularly noticeable because it's in the tagline. Fixing that would make a better first impression. "Development and deployment have never been so simple" would work better, IMHO. Or perhaps you'd prefer "Development and deployment made simple", in keeping with the terse / minimalist theme. While I'm at it, a few other minor corrections, in roughly decreasing importance the further down the page we go: "GitHub and BitBucket integrations allows you automate DevOps." should be "GitHub and BitBucket integrations allow you to automate DevOps." "Servers and Clouds linking" should probably be "Link Servers and Clouds" for verb consistency with previous headings; "Create... Build... Link... Manage... " is consistent, whereas "Create... Build... ..Linking... Manage..." is not. "You can link your server to Last.Backend with special command. Just copy it and execute in a terminal." could be "You can link your server to Last.Backend with a special command. Just copy it and execute it in a terminal." Finally, "Just look at scheme and you can see what's going on. Color element indication provide all information about all warning and problems. Logs output gives you ability to know much more." could be improved as "Just look at the scheme to see what's going on. Colored elements convey information about warnings and problems at a glance. Log output provides the ability to know much more." (or similar) HTH! :)

lastbackend 11y ago
WOW! That's amazing! We'll correct it in few minutes!! Thx a lot. Please contact us. I have some offer for you :)
- rentnorove 11y ago
  Along the same lines, "How it works?" isn't quite right. Should probably be "How does it work?".
  - lastbackend 11y ago

grimborg 11y ago

I'd love to try it, but when signing up with github it wants to be granted access to all my organizations, which I cannot allow (I only want to grant it access to my repos, not my employer's!). Any way around this?

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lastbackend 11y ago
We'll add this necessarily option. It's really helpful comment. Thx a lot!

CornishPasty 11y ago

Looks great, although I was put off when the instructions to add a server used a goo.gl URL, and then piped the output into a sudo shell... Would be nice if it used your own domain (HTTPS is essential!) and if the script didn't require super user from the outset (or perhaps it could explain what it is going to do, and then request super user permissions)

lastbackend 11y ago
You are right! It's temporary option. We are testing new installer, located on our domain! HTTPS will be on next week. It's the first update for next week!

m00dy 11y ago

I think that this product might have a great potential. Keep going guys, i like it even tough i don't test it all.

lastbackend 11y ago
Thanks a lot! I hope you'll like it!

ape4 11y ago

Every time somebody proposes a visual programming environment it seems good until you look at the details.

lastbackend 11y ago
With your comments and feedbacks we can create a really good platform. Your feedback is the most valuable point for us!

lclarkmichalek 11y ago

Did I really just see a screenshot telling the user to, on their server, pipe the contents of a non-HTTPS, goo.gl URL into a sudo bash? http://lastbackend.com/images/landing/timeline/deploy_2.png http://lastbackend.com/images/landing/timeline/deploy_2.png

lastbackend 11y ago
Yeah... sorry for that.. We will fix it on Monday also HTTPS. It's not good, but we tried to open product faster!
- lclarkmichalek 11y ago
  Fair enough. Regardless, congrats on the release.
- subway 11y ago
  Security should not be an afterthought. Especially not when you're trying to get me to trust my data to your platform.
  - lastbackend 11y ago
    You are right. But you can play with our platform this weekends, and on next week we'll opening agent to open-source and enable security. We have some delay with SSL delivery. :(
    - antocv 11y ago
      I, for one, aint playin with anything you build. You aint coming close to having sudo on any of my machines if I can help it. This shit with "enable security" as after-thought has to stop.
      - deleted 11y ago
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      - 11y ago

_mikz 11y ago

Looks amazing. Will try it. Btw, check the pricing page in Mobile Safari. It looks quite off. The width is wrong the there is text overlapping in the first panel.

lastbackend 11y ago
We'll fixed soon! Our mobile version is not good now. We are focused on it now.

Sir_Substance 11y ago

Why is it necessary for me to sign up? Is it only for your metrics? Could this have been designed in a fashion that doesn't require me to roll another bloody account? Not so interested that I feel like opening one, sorry.

lastbackend 11y ago
Hmm.. Why do you think so? Maybe we can discuss it by e-mail or skype. We need to know what's the reason you thinking so.
- Sir_Substance 11y ago
  It's really quite simple. I'm on an anti-account binge, and have been for a while. Primarily, I just hate accounts. I have hundreds of them man. It's absurd. I don't bother trying to log in to most of them any more, if it's not a service I use every day I go directly to recovering the username and password, because I'll never get it in the three or five or 10 tries I'm allowed before the account is locked/they start giving me captchas. Often enough, that system breaks, and then I'm left having to email admins and beg them to help. That's always a fun coin to toss. So I don't make 'em any more, unless I literally have to. Quite seriously, the only new account I recall opening in the last two years is with the Australian government, because it was mandatory to do my tax return via that system. Maybe there's one or two others, I don't know. e: I remember the other one, it's this one! tada, own goal! I'm currently locked out of the government system, because their secret question/answer system didn't like my answers. I have to call them during business hours to fix it. I moved to another country recently, so that's going to be cheap and stuff. Secondarily, I'm starting to critique peoples use of accounts. Lots of people implement a username/password system when they don't need it, because it's easy to do so. As a developer myself, I am taking a stand against lazy development. Maybe I don't fully grasp your product (I'll be honest, the instant I saw "sign up now" my shutters went down), but it seems like a graphical docker container configuration management tool is less effective as a web app than a desktop app, and doesn't need an account system either way. For example, if you're using the accounts for saving flow setups, could that not be done with a combination of URL parameters (encoding customer specific data like IP addresses) and page ID's to a key-value database (with the benefit of data de-duplication), thus allowing me to save my work with a simple ctrl-d to bookmark it? As a side benefit, I can share it just by emailing it to people. Hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe your system really does need accounts, but I'm still not going to make one. I have to draw the line somewhere if I want this endless account sprawl to end.

jkbbwr 11y ago

Can you add a way to remove linked servers? I have a few ghost linked servers and they all have the same name

lastbackend 11y ago
Oh no... We'll notify you when we'll fix this issue :( Thx for comment.

Fiahil 11y ago

Wow, this is beautiful. Quick question, is it possible to have an archive of the logs for when I want to debug my crashing app? How much can I go back in time?

loceng 11y ago

More design suggestions, since that seems to be a trend in this thread: - "Development and deployment have never been so simple" on two lines, line break after "deployment"; "Development and deployment have never been so simple" - Autoplay the "Stack constructor" animation - Maybe add a automatic sliding for "Build and deploy apps" slides - Autoplay the "Link Servers and Clouds" - The "Watch video" should be right at the very top of page with a nice screengrab + big (>) play button in the middle - Any particular purpose for enclosing headers with : characters?

lastbackend 11y ago
Got it! Thx for comment!

chrisrxth 11y ago

This is awesome - I feel like this is the future of IaaS user experiences.

lastbackend 11y ago
We hope so! :)

tomseago 11y ago

Looks very promising. Like at the "stops me from building something I was about to build" level of promising. However, to get all the way there I need to know more about your team and generally anything else you can do that would build trust that you won't disappear, won't steal my data or access my servers, and won't get hacked - roughly in that order. Unfortunately, chances are good that we will need to go with more established services for now, but we'll definitely be keeping an eye on you guys to see how things progress.

tjbiddle 11y ago

Any plans to have direct integration with cloud providers (AWS, DO, etc.) so that the command doesn't need to be run by hand and we can instead just spin up servers directly?

lastbackend 11y ago
Yes. In few weeks will announce DO support, after AWS+Azure.

bestan 11y ago

When attaching my servers, the script executed fine. However, none of my servers are recognised. The list shows (2/1), but displays no names (2 empty strings that I can choose from). Couldn't get anything working. Anything I am doing wrong? P.S. couldn't send any message through neither Intercom nor support button at the top.

lastbackend 11y ago
Intercom will be working on next week. It's strange situation. We'll try to reproduce on testing stage. Thx you! I notify you via Intercom. Ok?
- vbernat 11y ago
  I got the same problem (login: bernat). Running on plain Ubuntu 14.04. I have also tried to unlink the agent to relink them, but "Link new" button gives the landing page where we choose the free/non-free version. So now, I don't have any server instance... Also, I didn't log with GitHub because I didn't want to give write access to anything. You should give the option to only request the email address.

Animats 11y ago

Ooh, pretty! That's going to convince non-technical managers to use this service. Put that display on a big screen in the manager's office and they'll think they know what's going on. A display application like that would be useful for AWS, so you know roughly what's going on in your rented subcloud. With, of course, both big screen and phone app versions. From the other comments, it seems that this startup has a poor container management system but a great visualization tool. There are lots of container management systems (one written in Go was announced on HN yesterday) but many are still at the command line level for monitoring. Maybe this startup should pivot and do "cloud management visualization".

moe 11y ago
A display application like that would be useful for AWS Those have existed for a while, e.g. VisualOps[1]. [1] http://www.visualops.io/feature/ http://www.visualops.io/feature/

vancalapano 11y ago

Anyone looking for English native speakers skype tutors, visit http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers and get more than what you want and needed.

vancalapano 11y ago

jjoe 11y ago

I'm as ticked off as anyone here regarding the blatant security lapse(s). But I must confess: The level of tenacity of OP is outstanding in light of all the strongly worded comments that've been directed at him/her (understandably deserved w.r.t security). I do think this is a commendable attitude to display in situations like this. It makes a noticeable difference. Here's hoping OP will turn things around.

deleted 11y ago
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carpenoctem 11y ago

1. When signing in with Bitbucket, it tries to add ssh keys to r/w access all my repos. 2. Emails with dots not accepted by your sign up form 3. Drag and drop not working in firefox 4. I created Ubuntu 14 droplet with DigitalOcean, and inserted your "connect new servers" command there. Got result: Run agent on stack Error response from daemon: no such id: lb time="2015-04-18T16:33:03-04:00" level=fatal msg="Error: failed to remove one or more containers" When I'm trying to "run" my server into your app, I'm getting message "Available server instance not found"

chrisabrams 11y ago

I have no idea how to get started with your app. When I get to the app page, all I see is this: https://cloudup.com/c-7KrbFm_8g https://cloudup.com/c-7KrbFm_8g

lastbackend 11y ago
Wow.. Something new. How we can contact you to ask more questions? Can you please send us an email? (In bottom of main page).

vancalapano 11y ago

Anyone looking for English native speakers skype tutorials, visit http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers http://preply.com/en/skype/english-native-speakers and get what you just need.

Zekio 11y ago

Is there going to a be a Desktop App / Version of the site? like with slack where you have access to the chat in an desktop app and in the browser Not an ad for slack just the only reference to what i meant i could think of right now