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Sorry, but I don't think this is good advice in and of itself. At least, not unless the only thing that you are receiving (and the only thing that your employe
by jbrlondon 17y ago
Sorry, but I don't think this is good advice in and of itself.
At least, not unless the only thing that you are receiving (and the only thing that your employer is offering) is $50k of salary.
However usually in jobs the total compensation consists of other, non-monetary emoluments, only some of which would ever even be mentioned in an employment contact.
Firstly, there are usually psychological, cultural and social benefits to employment whose value to the employee will depend on all sorts of contextual factors.
Secondly, there is the possibility of future income increases -- whether in case of future bonus payments, future income rises, or other as yet unrealized monetary reward. In some professional services and finance careers, these can vastly exceed the annual pay received at junior levels. (cf http://ingrimayne.com/econ/resouceProblems/Tournament.html http://ingrimayne.com/econ/resouceProblems/Tournament.html)
Thirdly, there is the future value of experience gained today.
Fourthly, there is the often significant social capital accrued through consistently excellent performance. If one of your colleagues starts a new business, or finds herself in a favourable position in another company a few years hence, your stamina, diligence, tenacity and good humor will be remembered. The vast majority of jobs are unadvertised, so this kind of social capital is often increasingly important as your career unfolds.
Far better to think of the paid salary component as the 'tip of the iceberg'. At the start of any career, it is very rare for an employee to capture much more than a small fraction of the value she creates. As time goes on, that changes. At any point construing too narrowly the notion of 'compensation' as 'cash received this year' is extremely risky, and may lead you to underinvest your time in a career.
You will likely be working for many decades. Salaries tend to rise through one's 20s and 30s and only peak (for men) in their early 40s. And remember, the time you'll actually need the money is not now: it's when you'll have a mortgage, kids or other structural outgoings.
So: take a long view. Be patient. Find a balance today that is acceptable, but consider the hours you commit as an investment in the social capital you will cash-in later. Take a holistic view.
Case in point: I've recently gone into business with the former founder of a company I worked at many years ago (where, at the time, I worked like a dog, and for very little cash). Turns out I wasn't really working for her then at all: I was really just auditioning for the opportunity to go into business with her 10 years later. What goes around, comes around.
- Tichy 17y ago"there is the possibility of future income increases" Oh, come on, empty promises much? How likely is it these days to stay long enough with one company to reap the benefits of that? My stance is: if something is included in the pay, it should also be in the contract. Empty words tend to not manifest. As for the other stuff: how likely is it that the OP will be able to continue pulling 100 hour weeks in his 30ies and 40ies? I don't think it is very likely. Besides, it would be better to pull 100 hour weeks if you get 100$/hour than as a junior (that is, take it easy now, pull 100 hours as a senior). Sorry if I am cynical, but so far I have never seen a company honor excellent performance. Maybe it happens, then you are lucky. But usually developers are considered to be tools. Companies don't go around looking for an excellent developer. They are looking for somebody who can do X. Therefore they only care that you do X. If you don't want to do X anymore (bored, not enough salary, whatever), they will look for somebody else to do X. It doesn't matter squat how many hours you have poured in. They also won't go "hm, we have this excellent guy, lets see what useful thing we could make him do". It is the other way round. They need something done and hire a guy for it. The guy's personal development is not interesting. Some companies might "see the light" and offer personal development schemes to the employee. These however are also just meant to tie you to the company and get more work out of you. Again, sorry if I am cynical - but some people end up with millions, and others just with empty words and "experience" of questionable value. What is wrong with simply getting your money's worth??? I think the main reason why young people tend to work for cheap is that they don't know how much money they will really need eventually. Just having been a student, 1000$ seems like a LOT of money. It takes a couple of years to realize that you have to save for retirement and feed a family. By that point you are old and your job will be taken over by new young developers who are underpaid. Another reason to ask for good money: perhaps then the employer will think twice about putting you on boring tasks.
- angelbob 17y agoIn my experience, companies never honor excellent performance, but it looks really good when asking for a higher salary with the next company.