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As far as I can tell, Lucas' idea of celibate Jedi is just a Christian/Catholic artifact. There's no real attempt to justify it, and indeed there's no mention o

by TillE 12y ago

As far as I can tell, Lucas' idea of celibate Jedi is just a Christian/Catholic artifact. There's no real attempt to justify it, and indeed there's no mention of such a thing in the original trilogy. Obi-Wan talks about Luke's father being a Jedi, and neither thinks this is especially odd. In my own mind (and hopefully to some extent at Disney), the prequels and special editions are C-canon, to be disregarded whenever they conflict in any way with the pre-1997 scripts.

rakoo 12y ago
> there's no mention of such a thing in the original trilogy Then again, in the original trilogy the only trained force-sensitive people we hear of are 3 human male and Yoda. On top of that we have a brother and a sister. There's not a lot of room for romance here.
- genericuser 12y ago
  4 human male, I believe you forgot the Emperor. Also the Leah being force sensitive was eluded to.
  - dragonwriter 12y ago
    > 4 human male, I believe you forgot the Emperor. The brother and sister outside of the trained count have to refer to Luke and Leia (Luke isn't trained at the beginning of the trilogy, but is at the end), so 4 human males (Luke, Vader, Kenobi, and Palpatine) in the trained count would double-count Luke.
    - genericuser 12y ago
      I parsed it as saying "in the original trilogy the only trained force-sensitive people we hear of are 3 human male and Yoda." STOP, now a related thought about why one of them is unlikely to reproduce due to the limited female characters in the movie. "On top of that we have a brother and a sister." But I can see how your reading of it would make sense, since it removes the potential count error I read it as having.
- Igglyboo 12y ago
  I mean the Jedi wouldn't be constrained to only marrying other Jedi so I don't see why thats a problem.
  - rakoo 12y ago
    My point is that there isn't a lot of "material" to dive into the question of "marriage/romance among the Jedis": Star Wars (the original trilogy) is basically a Swashbuckler in space, with all the associated trope of the hero building up its crew and his skills to fight the final boss, and the only romance that is developed isn't about the main character but his sidekicks. Maybe it was avoided for Luke specifically because of the "no-marriage" rule then ? I don't know, I'd rather say it wasn't developed because it isn't that interesting for the plot. But that's just a wild guess.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > Then again, in the original trilogy the only trained force-sensitive people we hear of are 3 human male and Yoda. On top of that we have a brother and a sister. Those are who we see. We hear references to others in a manner which is ambiguous to whether they are strictly in the past or just rare and comparatively low-profile at the time.
mhd 12y ago
Even in the original trilogy, Jedis are reclusive monks, so there's a link to celibacy (aren't Buddhist monks mostly celibate, too?). I'm more surprised that a 7 year old doesn't consider girls icky.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
  " (aren't Buddhist monks mostly celibate, too?)." Yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C4%81timok%E1%B9%A3a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C4%81timok%E1%B9%A3a
- genericuser 12y ago
  He may well find girls icky he may want to marry a guy, a fictional character, or the toaster for all we know. Kids are weird like that.
- Crito 12y ago
  Are they reclusive monks, or are they in hiding from genocidal tyrants?
toyg 12y ago
In fact, isn't the opposite more likely? If the whole midichlorian thing was true, it stands to reason that Jedis would want to reproduce, in order to have children who would share their biology and hence their attractiveness to midichlorian... which is confirmed by the Skywalkers' "family gift". Remaining celibate would look like an attempt at actually rooting out midichlorian-friendly genetics, which is just illogical. (Disclaimer: I'm not a big StarWars geek, I've only seen the movies and occasionally read some comics, and I loathed the "prequel trilogy")

by TillE 12y ago

rakoo 12y ago

> there's no mention of such a thing in the original trilogy Then again, in the original trilogy the only trained force-sensitive people we hear of are 3 human male and Yoda. On top of that we have a brother and a sister. There's not a lot of room for romance here.

genericuser 12y ago
4 human male, I believe you forgot the Emperor. Also the Leah being force sensitive was eluded to.
- dragonwriter 12y ago
  > 4 human male, I believe you forgot the Emperor. The brother and sister outside of the trained count have to refer to Luke and Leia (Luke isn't trained at the beginning of the trilogy, but is at the end), so 4 human males (Luke, Vader, Kenobi, and Palpatine) in the trained count would double-count Luke.
  - genericuser 12y ago
    I parsed it as saying "in the original trilogy the only trained force-sensitive people we hear of are 3 human male and Yoda." STOP, now a related thought about why one of them is unlikely to reproduce due to the limited female characters in the movie. "On top of that we have a brother and a sister." But I can see how your reading of it would make sense, since it removes the potential count error I read it as having.
Igglyboo 12y ago
I mean the Jedi wouldn't be constrained to only marrying other Jedi so I don't see why thats a problem.
- rakoo 12y ago
  My point is that there isn't a lot of "material" to dive into the question of "marriage/romance among the Jedis": Star Wars (the original trilogy) is basically a Swashbuckler in space, with all the associated trope of the hero building up its crew and his skills to fight the final boss, and the only romance that is developed isn't about the main character but his sidekicks. Maybe it was avoided for Luke specifically because of the "no-marriage" rule then ? I don't know, I'd rather say it wasn't developed because it isn't that interesting for the plot. But that's just a wild guess.
dragonwriter 12y ago
> Then again, in the original trilogy the only trained force-sensitive people we hear of are 3 human male and Yoda. On top of that we have a brother and a sister. Those are who we see. We hear references to others in a manner which is ambiguous to whether they are strictly in the past or just rare and comparatively low-profile at the time.

mhd 12y ago

Even in the original trilogy, Jedis are reclusive monks, so there's a link to celibacy (aren't Buddhist monks mostly celibate, too?). I'm more surprised that a 7 year old doesn't consider girls icky.

GFK_of_xmaspast 12y ago
" (aren't Buddhist monks mostly celibate, too?)." Yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C4%81timok%E1%B9%A3a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C4%81timok%E1%B9%A3a
genericuser 12y ago
He may well find girls icky he may want to marry a guy, a fictional character, or the toaster for all we know. Kids are weird like that.
Crito 12y ago
Are they reclusive monks, or are they in hiding from genocidal tyrants?

toyg 12y ago

In fact, isn't the opposite more likely? If the whole midichlorian thing was true, it stands to reason that Jedis would want to reproduce, in order to have children who would share their biology and hence their attractiveness to midichlorian... which is confirmed by the Skywalkers' "family gift". Remaining celibate would look like an attempt at actually rooting out midichlorian-friendly genetics, which is just illogical. (Disclaimer: I'm not a big StarWars geek, I've only seen the movies and occasionally read some comics, and I loathed the "prequel trilogy")