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"[Go] is impressively fast and soon we figured out that our bottleneck was not the language/framework neither the application, but our database" You re-wrote y

"[Go] is impressively fast and soon we figured out that our bottleneck was not the language/framework neither the application, but our database" You re-wrote your entire REST API in a new language without first understanding where your performance issues were?

therealwill 12y ago
They also talk about switching DBs. In my experience it is rarely the database choice but bad schema and/or poor SQL queries.
- BinaryIdiot 12y ago
  Yes these were my biggest problem with this post; they don't spend the time to try and find out bottlenecks and when they finally do instead of investigating the WHY they're thinking about simply switching to yet another which is going to have the same issues if they're not using an optimal data model, etc.
  - ceejayoz 12y ago
    This is unfortunately a very common problem-solving approach. I've seen devs upgrade jQuery because they're getting a 500 error from a PHP app. No relation to the problem - it's just flailing around in hopes something random works.
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 12y ago
  NoSQL is a database choice now, a worse choice in my opinion. So, I'm not surprised they are considering Rethink and Mongo. What's funny is how much more exciting Arduino itself is, compared to all this.
  - Someone1234 12y ago
    > NoSQL is a database choice now, a worse choice in my opinion. If that's legitimately your opinion on that topic then I suggest you expand your knowledge. NoSQL databases aren't slot in replacement for SQL databases. However, for what they're good at they're REALLY good at it. Namely highly scalable, Document Storage (or "blobs"), and incredibly low latency reads. Keep in mind that NoSQL doesn't mean schemaless. You can have a schema and be NoSQL, and that is the direction most NoSQL databases are moving into (or have moved into).
    - 0xdeadbeefbabe 12y ago
      > If that's legitimately your opinion on that topic then I suggest you expand your knowledge. So, If my knowledge were expanded I would think NoSQL is an equally valid option, and not a worse one? I hesitate to do any more expansion because of this panel held in 2014 [0] asking weather we are in a big data bubble, and probably answering "yes", but I wasn't there. Simple query language is REALLY good too. It has a kind of general usefulness. > Keep in mind that NoSQL doesn't mean schemaless. You can have a schema and be NoSQL Can you also have SQL and be NoSQL? [0] http://people.csail.mit.edu/tatbul/publications/sigmod14_panel.pdf http://people.csail.mit.edu/tatbul/publications/sigmod14_pan...
      - Someone1234 12y ago
        > So, If my knowledge were expanded I would think NoSQL is an equally valid option, and not a worse one? For some things NoSQL would be a better option. For most things SQL remains the better option. > I hesitate to do any more expansion because of this panel held in 2014 [0] asking weather we are in a big data bubble, and probably answering "yes", but I wasn't there. We were in a dot-com bubble around 97-2000, maybe the internet is a bad idea also? > Can you also have SQL and be NoSQL? By definition, no. But some NoSQL databases do support an alternative to SQL with some of SQL's properties (e.g. JSON-like syntax).
k__ 12y ago
Wasn't this a thing, a few years ago. http://talks.php.net/show/digg/7 http://talks.php.net/show/digg/7
makeitsuckless 12y ago
They also list microservices as a goal instead of a solution to a problem. This is all just tech hipsterism.
- liotier 12y ago
  Did you learn tech by only applying optimal solutions to well analyzed problems ? I bet that a lost of your progress has rather been fuel by sheer joyful experiments with technologies you fancied, thus validating them for less adventurous users who had actual problems to solve. Those guys make Arduino - they pretty much embody that spirit !
- mdekkers 12y ago
  > tech hipsterism Thank you! I have been looking for the right words to describe this for ages. You nailed it.

therealwill 12y ago

They also talk about switching DBs. In my experience it is rarely the database choice but bad schema and/or poor SQL queries.

BinaryIdiot 12y ago
Yes these were my biggest problem with this post; they don't spend the time to try and find out bottlenecks and when they finally do instead of investigating the WHY they're thinking about simply switching to yet another which is going to have the same issues if they're not using an optimal data model, etc.
- ceejayoz 12y ago
  This is unfortunately a very common problem-solving approach. I've seen devs upgrade jQuery because they're getting a 500 error from a PHP app. No relation to the problem - it's just flailing around in hopes something random works.
0xdeadbeefbabe 12y ago
NoSQL is a database choice now, a worse choice in my opinion. So, I'm not surprised they are considering Rethink and Mongo. What's funny is how much more exciting Arduino itself is, compared to all this.
- Someone1234 12y ago
  > NoSQL is a database choice now, a worse choice in my opinion. If that's legitimately your opinion on that topic then I suggest you expand your knowledge. NoSQL databases aren't slot in replacement for SQL databases. However, for what they're good at they're REALLY good at it. Namely highly scalable, Document Storage (or "blobs"), and incredibly low latency reads. Keep in mind that NoSQL doesn't mean schemaless. You can have a schema and be NoSQL, and that is the direction most NoSQL databases are moving into (or have moved into).
  - 0xdeadbeefbabe 12y ago
    > If that's legitimately your opinion on that topic then I suggest you expand your knowledge. So, If my knowledge were expanded I would think NoSQL is an equally valid option, and not a worse one? I hesitate to do any more expansion because of this panel held in 2014 [0] asking weather we are in a big data bubble, and probably answering "yes", but I wasn't there. Simple query language is REALLY good too. It has a kind of general usefulness. > Keep in mind that NoSQL doesn't mean schemaless. You can have a schema and be NoSQL Can you also have SQL and be NoSQL? [0] http://people.csail.mit.edu/tatbul/publications/sigmod14_panel.pdf http://people.csail.mit.edu/tatbul/publications/sigmod14_pan...
    - Someone1234 12y ago
      > So, If my knowledge were expanded I would think NoSQL is an equally valid option, and not a worse one? For some things NoSQL would be a better option. For most things SQL remains the better option. > I hesitate to do any more expansion because of this panel held in 2014 [0] asking weather we are in a big data bubble, and probably answering "yes", but I wasn't there. We were in a dot-com bubble around 97-2000, maybe the internet is a bad idea also? > Can you also have SQL and be NoSQL? By definition, no. But some NoSQL databases do support an alternative to SQL with some of SQL's properties (e.g. JSON-like syntax).

k__ 12y ago

Wasn't this a thing, a few years ago. http://talks.php.net/show/digg/7 http://talks.php.net/show/digg/7

makeitsuckless 12y ago

They also list microservices as a goal instead of a solution to a problem. This is all just tech hipsterism.

liotier 12y ago
Did you learn tech by only applying optimal solutions to well analyzed problems ? I bet that a lost of your progress has rather been fuel by sheer joyful experiments with technologies you fancied, thus validating them for less adventurous users who had actual problems to solve. Those guys make Arduino - they pretty much embody that spirit !
mdekkers 12y ago
> tech hipsterism Thank you! I have been looking for the right words to describe this for ages. You nailed it.