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I don't hate Scala but I did not pursue it after only a few 'lessons' : transitioning from Java to Scala was smooth and not intellectually stimulating. On the

I don't hate Scala but I did not pursue it after only a few 'lessons' : transitioning from Java to Scala was smooth and not intellectually stimulating. On the other hand , Clojure programming forces me to think differently and the solutions are more elegant. I understand Scala is also functional but it is too permissive and I slide back in imperative all too easily. Clojure is highly disciplinarian and opinionated and I find that refreshing.

coldcode 12y ago
But how effective is Clojure in writing server side code? I've never used it so I have no way to know.
- manishsharan 12y ago
  One of the best decisions I made was to transition from J2EE server code (Spring+ hibernate + Jsf/(some)SpringMVC ) to Clojure ring + Moustache. The code is smaller, simple to understand and concurrency is a breeze. The only downside is you can't write a SOAP server as XML namespace support is missing in its xml library. edit : typo
- logicchains 12y ago
  I've used it a little and haven't had any problems. You can run it on Jetty, so performance is excellent, and you get access to the whole Java ecosystem. Things like Core.async, Pulsar (modeled after Go's coroutines/Erlang's actors) and Software Transactional Memory make parallel/concurrent programming a breeze. The biggest "issue" some people have with it is that it's generally dynamically typed, but if you don't mind that then it's at least as effective as other server side dynamic languages.
  - user1241320 12y ago
    I'm curious if anybody has tried http://immutant.org http://immutant.org with Clojure
lmm 12y ago
Interesting, that was exactly my reason for preferring Scala. With Clojure I could see it would take me weeks to get productive. With Scala I could write Java-without-semicolons and be slightly more productive on day 1, hour 1 even, and then gradually pick up the more advanced features.

coldcode 12y ago

But how effective is Clojure in writing server side code? I've never used it so I have no way to know.

manishsharan 12y ago
One of the best decisions I made was to transition from J2EE server code (Spring+ hibernate + Jsf/(some)SpringMVC ) to Clojure ring + Moustache. The code is smaller, simple to understand and concurrency is a breeze. The only downside is you can't write a SOAP server as XML namespace support is missing in its xml library. edit : typo
logicchains 12y ago
I've used it a little and haven't had any problems. You can run it on Jetty, so performance is excellent, and you get access to the whole Java ecosystem. Things like Core.async, Pulsar (modeled after Go's coroutines/Erlang's actors) and Software Transactional Memory make parallel/concurrent programming a breeze. The biggest "issue" some people have with it is that it's generally dynamically typed, but if you don't mind that then it's at least as effective as other server side dynamic languages.
- user1241320 12y ago
  I'm curious if anybody has tried http://immutant.org http://immutant.org with Clojure

lmm 12y ago

Interesting, that was exactly my reason for preferring Scala. With Clojure I could see it would take me weeks to get productive. With Scala I could write Java-without-semicolons and be slightly more productive on day 1, hour 1 even, and then gradually pick up the more advanced features.