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> How many repos they took down that weren't malicious in any way, but simply didn't gel with the tech industry's current strongly pro-feminist attitude? Throu

> How many repos they took down that weren't malicious in any way, but simply didn't gel with the tech industry's current strongly pro-feminist attitude? Through precisely which mechanisms do you believe that repositories are being removed due to anything resembling "pro-feminist" ideology? Does github have a "report this repo for not being feminist enough" button that i've been missing all this time?

parennoob 11y ago
> Through precisely which mechanisms do you believe that repositories are being removed due to anything resembling "pro-feminist" ideology? My guess is, internally. Someone says, "Ugh, we don't want these anti-feminist people pushing commits to this repo, let's disable access to it." > Does github have a "report this repo for not being feminist enough" button that i've been missing all this time? I appreciate the heavy sarcasm, but if you think about it, it's a bit chilling. Github, which stood up to the Chinese government, is not strong enough to stand up for the rights of its users who want to make an anti-feminist parody language.
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- Zezima 11y ago
  Both individuals and groups tend to resist opposing view points as it stirs conflict and disagreement. So it's much simpler to remove repos with anti-feminist ideology. While Github held out against the Chinese, they did not make any outward statements of accusation towards the Chinese government in a smart move. That form of political tension is better handled by the United States government such that Github does not face further backlash. Github's role was purely technical: stopping the DDoS.
- MollyR 11y ago
  A anti-feminist parody language was censored by github ? I'm a little confused here. So someone was making fun of people who are anti-feminists, and then it was censored ?
  - parennoob 11y ago
    Nope, it was an anti-feminist, parody language. I guess commas matter :)
  - anatoly86 11y ago
    A group called this "Feminist Software Foundation", which is apparently comprised of trolls/jokers from 4chan. I think that they were making fun of (i.e. parodying) feminists, not anti-feminists. https://github.com/TheFeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality https://github.com/TheFeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equa... http://blog.mollywhite.net/why-im-not-laughing-at-c-plus-equality/ http://blog.mollywhite.net/why-im-not-laughing-at-c-plus-equ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_foundation_c_plus_equality/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_fo...
    - MollyR 11y ago
      I apologize but I am lost. How was this censored if its still on github ? Update: I see now, the original and its forks were censored.
      - anatoly86 11y ago
        Yeah, sorry that wasn't clear.
    - parennoob 11y ago
      Interesting, that must be a mirror. The original censored repo was here: https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equalit... All its forks seem to have been censored too, e.g. https://github.com/AndreaDworkin/C-plus-Equality https://github.com/AndreaDworkin/C-plus-Equality
      - anatoly86 11y ago
        Why did they censor the original but not the new version too? Maybe it's a case of the Streisand effect. I found some stuff on archive.today ( https://archive.today/https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality* https://archive.today/https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFou... ) too. And was that the real Andrea Dworkin or a troll impostor? ...
- knowtheory 11y ago
  Strong enough? Github decided to do something. Nobody forced them to do it. They decided. We also don't know on what terms they decided to take that repository down. Positioning feminism as an outside pressure group that is more powerful than the Chinese Government is pretty weaselly framing, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you tell me who's trying to chill whom.
  - parennoob 11y ago
    This sure looks like feminist pressuring: http://imgur.com/AgSwrE2.png http://imgur.com/AgSwrE2.png Notice how the other users are protesting? Imagine if the Chinese Government sent a tweet to Github and they took down the "offensive" repos at one stroke over the protests of dissenters. Why do you think this case is special? If it contains personal info or something (which I strongly doubt, by the way), fine. Take it down, and mark it as such -- and put it in your “Transparency Report”.

parennoob 11y ago

> Through precisely which mechanisms do you believe that repositories are being removed due to anything resembling "pro-feminist" ideology? My guess is, internally. Someone says, "Ugh, we don't want these anti-feminist people pushing commits to this repo, let's disable access to it." > Does github have a "report this repo for not being feminist enough" button that i've been missing all this time? I appreciate the heavy sarcasm, but if you think about it, it's a bit chilling. Github, which stood up to the Chinese government, is not strong enough to stand up for the rights of its users who want to make an anti-feminist parody language.

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Zezima 11y ago
Both individuals and groups tend to resist opposing view points as it stirs conflict and disagreement. So it's much simpler to remove repos with anti-feminist ideology. While Github held out against the Chinese, they did not make any outward statements of accusation towards the Chinese government in a smart move. That form of political tension is better handled by the United States government such that Github does not face further backlash. Github's role was purely technical: stopping the DDoS.
MollyR 11y ago
A anti-feminist parody language was censored by github ? I'm a little confused here. So someone was making fun of people who are anti-feminists, and then it was censored ?
- parennoob 11y ago
  Nope, it was an anti-feminist, parody language. I guess commas matter :)
- anatoly86 11y ago
  A group called this "Feminist Software Foundation", which is apparently comprised of trolls/jokers from 4chan. I think that they were making fun of (i.e. parodying) feminists, not anti-feminists. https://github.com/TheFeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality https://github.com/TheFeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equa... http://blog.mollywhite.net/why-im-not-laughing-at-c-plus-equality/ http://blog.mollywhite.net/why-im-not-laughing-at-c-plus-equ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_foundation_c_plus_equality/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/19/feminist_software_fo...
  - MollyR 11y ago
    I apologize but I am lost. How was this censored if its still on github ? Update: I see now, the original and its forks were censored.
    - anatoly86 11y ago
      Yeah, sorry that wasn't clear.
  - parennoob 11y ago
    Interesting, that must be a mirror. The original censored repo was here: https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equalit... All its forks seem to have been censored too, e.g. https://github.com/AndreaDworkin/C-plus-Equality https://github.com/AndreaDworkin/C-plus-Equality
    - anatoly86 11y ago
      Why did they censor the original but not the new version too? Maybe it's a case of the Streisand effect. I found some stuff on archive.today ( https://archive.today/https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFoundation/C-plus-Equality* https://archive.today/https://github.com/FeministSoftwareFou... ) too. And was that the real Andrea Dworkin or a troll impostor? ...
knowtheory 11y ago
Strong enough? Github decided to do something. Nobody forced them to do it. They decided. We also don't know on what terms they decided to take that repository down. Positioning feminism as an outside pressure group that is more powerful than the Chinese Government is pretty weaselly framing, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you tell me who's trying to chill whom.
- parennoob 11y ago
  This sure looks like feminist pressuring: http://imgur.com/AgSwrE2.png http://imgur.com/AgSwrE2.png Notice how the other users are protesting? Imagine if the Chinese Government sent a tweet to Github and they took down the "offensive" repos at one stroke over the protests of dissenters. Why do you think this case is special? If it contains personal info or something (which I strongly doubt, by the way), fine. Take it down, and mark it as such -- and put it in your “Transparency Report”.