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Probably because they're not directly interacting with it, they're just watching it, which makes the delay a lot less noticeable. The 10ms delay is more of a pr

Probably because they're not directly interacting with it, they're just watching it, which makes the delay a lot less noticeable. The 10ms delay is more of a problem for interactive apps where you eg. touch the screen and expect it to instantly make a sound. In this kind of feedback loop, even small delays are distracting and it becomes difficult to keep a beat because the lag is perceptible. If you tried to remotely play an instrument from 3.4 meters away, you would probably notice it too.

bentcorner 12y ago
Sort of like why audience clapping tends to get really messy until the performer does the "hands above the head" thing to get them back in sync.
- falcor84 12y ago
  Clapping synchronisation is actually a well studied spontaneous occurrence, that just takes O(1) periods, see this article for some analysis: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0006423v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0006423v1.pdf
  - navaati 12y ago
    He's talking about clapping in rythm during the music, not applause afterward (fun pdf tho)
- psychometry 12y ago
  Audiences have a natural tendency to slow down. They're mostly not musicians and I imagine their clapping as a response to the music (and the other clappers) rather than internalizing the music as a performer would.
  - darkmighty 12y ago
    If you start from a perfectly synchronized audience and assume they clap reactively, you'd expect them to delay each of their claps by ~1/2 speed of sound * width of the room. A good example for why on music you need a good rhythm (internal constant frequency driver) instead of acting reactively to perform well.
    - psychometry 12y ago
      Yes, the audience will slow down regardless. Either the band slows down with them or they keep the same tempo and the clapping gets screwed up. It's frustrating as a performer trying to fight the audience and the only solution I know is to have the house levels sufficiently loud that the audience continually adjusts.

bentcorner 12y ago

Sort of like why audience clapping tends to get really messy until the performer does the "hands above the head" thing to get them back in sync.

falcor84 12y ago
Clapping synchronisation is actually a well studied spontaneous occurrence, that just takes O(1) periods, see this article for some analysis: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0006423v1.pdf http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0006423v1.pdf
- navaati 12y ago
  He's talking about clapping in rythm during the music, not applause afterward (fun pdf tho)
psychometry 12y ago
Audiences have a natural tendency to slow down. They're mostly not musicians and I imagine their clapping as a response to the music (and the other clappers) rather than internalizing the music as a performer would.
- darkmighty 12y ago
  If you start from a perfectly synchronized audience and assume they clap reactively, you'd expect them to delay each of their claps by ~1/2 speed of sound * width of the room. A good example for why on music you need a good rhythm (internal constant frequency driver) instead of acting reactively to perform well.
  - psychometry 12y ago
    Yes, the audience will slow down regardless. Either the band slows down with them or they keep the same tempo and the clapping gets screwed up. It's frustrating as a performer trying to fight the audience and the only solution I know is to have the house levels sufficiently loud that the audience continually adjusts.