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Maybe the problem isn't the Windows OS (which is quite fine actually, especially compared to the hot mess OSX has turned into), but the development approach, to

by kgtm 11y ago

Maybe the problem isn't the Windows OS (which is quite fine actually, especially compared to the hot mess OSX has turned into), but the development approach, tooling and processes that was forced upon you. Personally, i couldn't care less where my VMs are running. I SSH into them and do my work, using the tools i know are best for the job. I develop locally using VMs managed by Vagrant, i deploy to AWS or DO. If i feel like it, i can switch from Ubuntu, to Windows, to OSX and my dev env will be there waiting for me. How do people cope without a decent dev mindset? PS You should look into ConEmu, which is what all the Windows devs use.

Someone1234 11y ago
> but the development approach, tooling and processes that was forced upon you. As opposed to the ones you're trying to force on people? A lot of people, yourself included, aren't even able to quantify why Windows is inherently bad. I can think of a few reasons, but I am not here to help you since I am not randomly criticising developers based on platform, you are. > How do people cope without a decent dev mindset? This is meaningless in and of itself. You will need to expand on it. Your entire post reads like "unless you're developing MY way you're wrong." I find these rants about "use SSH and VIM!!!" pretty funny given Sublime Text's popularity on Linux as well as things like Eclipse. Do those work over SSH? No? Guess those Linux developers are as bad as Windows developers in your view, right?
- kgtm 11y ago
  Are you sure you've read my post correctly? In fact, i stated the exact opposite: there is nothing inherently bad about Windows. I run Windows myself as the host OS, using ConEmu to wrap PowerShell. I am not dogmatic. I use vim when it makes sense, Sublime for what makes sense, and a full-blown IDE, you guessed it, for when the strengths of an IDE are useful. Yes, i am using these across operating systems just fine. I am versatile. I can use OSX, Linux and Windows to develop code, as i've abstracted away the development environment, and decoupled it from the machine and OS i am typing the code on. And that is the decent dev mindest. I am not trying to force anything down your throat, and it surprises me that you would think that.
s73v3r 11y ago
ConEmu isn't much better, as it's still running the Windows cmd.exe. It's not bash or zsh.
- RobinBlk7 11y ago
  Absolutely wrong. ConEmu is a terminal where you may run any CLI, bash for example. http://conemu.github.io/en/TerminalVsShell.html http://conemu.github.io/en/TerminalVsShell.html

by kgtm 11y ago

Someone1234 11y ago

> but the development approach, tooling and processes that was forced upon you. As opposed to the ones you're trying to force on people? A lot of people, yourself included, aren't even able to quantify why Windows is inherently bad. I can think of a few reasons, but I am not here to help you since I am not randomly criticising developers based on platform, you are. > How do people cope without a decent dev mindset? This is meaningless in and of itself. You will need to expand on it. Your entire post reads like "unless you're developing MY way you're wrong." I find these rants about "use SSH and VIM!!!" pretty funny given Sublime Text's popularity on Linux as well as things like Eclipse. Do those work over SSH? No? Guess those Linux developers are as bad as Windows developers in your view, right?

kgtm 11y ago
Are you sure you've read my post correctly? In fact, i stated the exact opposite: there is nothing inherently bad about Windows. I run Windows myself as the host OS, using ConEmu to wrap PowerShell. I am not dogmatic. I use vim when it makes sense, Sublime for what makes sense, and a full-blown IDE, you guessed it, for when the strengths of an IDE are useful. Yes, i am using these across operating systems just fine. I am versatile. I can use OSX, Linux and Windows to develop code, as i've abstracted away the development environment, and decoupled it from the machine and OS i am typing the code on. And that is the decent dev mindest. I am not trying to force anything down your throat, and it surprises me that you would think that.

s73v3r 11y ago

ConEmu isn't much better, as it's still running the Windows cmd.exe. It's not bash or zsh.

RobinBlk7 11y ago
Absolutely wrong. ConEmu is a terminal where you may run any CLI, bash for example. http://conemu.github.io/en/TerminalVsShell.html http://conemu.github.io/en/TerminalVsShell.html