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I'm tempted to write "[citation needed]", but to avoid snarkiness, I'll rephrase as: What are you talking about?

by x1798DE 12y ago

sp332 12y ago
You can edit it, but your changes will probably be reverted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jason_Quinn/The_%22Your_edits_will_just_get_reverted_by_elite_editors%22_Myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jason_Quinn/The_%22Your_e... There are a lot of rules which are pedantically enforced, and some areas have been taken over by individuals who will fight to maintain control of content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great#Bureaucracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not...
Nursie 12y ago
It's very difficult to get anything accepted now. A friend of mine is a published author. Not massively famous or anything, but he's got a series of four books out, published by an actual publishing house and available to buy across the UK in Waterstones and other physical stores (i.e. not self-published or internet-only). His page was nominated for deletion a few years ago, and despite protest was deleted. About a year ago I thought I might have another go so another friend and I tried (as a first step) adding a page for the publisher. They've published quite a few books now, and some have been nominated for some quite prestigious literary awards. Not unreasonable one would think. Within minutes we had someone come along and nominate the page for summary deletion. This person didn't know anything about UK literature, or even what the Booker Prize was, but was very eager to get rid of the page regardless. I looked into what their motivation might be and it seems they were part of a team that effectively exists to get rid of new pages as fast as possible, for any reason they can come up with. They get notified when a new page is made and try to kill it, basically. Unless you are familiar with all the arcana of wikipedia (my friend was this time) then you have almost no hope of getting past this and getting anything new in. --edit-- The 'team' I'm referring to is wikipedia's "New Page Patrol". I appreciate it exists to stop spam, hate pages etc from lasting too long, but in my experience the people doing this are over-zealous and far too keen on nominating things for "Speedy Deletion" based on their opinions about notability.
- JasonFruit 12y ago
  I have anecdotes too! I have recently created a few new articles that were not only not deleted or nominated for deletion, but were immediately improved by helpful, experienced editors.
  - Nursie 12y ago
    Good for you, and I'm glad you found it fruitful. This has not been my experience recently and it appears I am far from alone. I find wikipedia (the resource) very useful indeed and have a lot of respect for the project and the outcome. I just think the community has problems.

I'm tempted to write "[citation needed]", but to avoid snarkiness, I'll rephrase as: What are you talking about?

by x1798DE 12y ago

I'm tempted to write "[citation needed]", but to avoid snarkiness, I'll rephrase as: What are you talking about?

sp332 12y ago

You can edit it, but your changes will probably be reverted. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jason_Quinn/The_%22Your_edits_will_just_get_reverted_by_elite_editors%22_Myth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jason_Quinn/The_%22Your_e... There are a lot of rules which are pedantically enforced, and some areas have been taken over by individuals who will fight to maintain control of content. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not_so_great#Bureaucracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Why_Wikipedia_is_not...

Nursie 12y ago

It's very difficult to get anything accepted now. A friend of mine is a published author. Not massively famous or anything, but he's got a series of four books out, published by an actual publishing house and available to buy across the UK in Waterstones and other physical stores (i.e. not self-published or internet-only). His page was nominated for deletion a few years ago, and despite protest was deleted. About a year ago I thought I might have another go so another friend and I tried (as a first step) adding a page for the publisher. They've published quite a few books now, and some have been nominated for some quite prestigious literary awards. Not unreasonable one would think. Within minutes we had someone come along and nominate the page for summary deletion. This person didn't know anything about UK literature, or even what the Booker Prize was, but was very eager to get rid of the page regardless. I looked into what their motivation might be and it seems they were part of a team that effectively exists to get rid of new pages as fast as possible, for any reason they can come up with. They get notified when a new page is made and try to kill it, basically. Unless you are familiar with all the arcana of wikipedia (my friend was this time) then you have almost no hope of getting past this and getting anything new in. --edit-- The 'team' I'm referring to is wikipedia's "New Page Patrol". I appreciate it exists to stop spam, hate pages etc from lasting too long, but in my experience the people doing this are over-zealous and far too keen on nominating things for "Speedy Deletion" based on their opinions about notability.

JasonFruit 12y ago
I have anecdotes too! I have recently created a few new articles that were not only not deleted or nominated for deletion, but were immediately improved by helpful, experienced editors.
- Nursie 12y ago
  Good for you, and I'm glad you found it fruitful. This has not been my experience recently and it appears I am far from alone. I find wikipedia (the resource) very useful indeed and have a lot of respect for the project and the outcome. I just think the community has problems.