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On top of that, B was a dear friend of A. Lesson: never trust anyone in business. Only the paranoid survive. Judging from her previous posts, I guess B had som

On top of that, B was a dear friend of A. Lesson: never trust anyone in business. Only the paranoid survive. Judging from her previous posts, I guess B had some sort of mental breakdown. Maybe too much stress, it often happens with hard deadlines. $182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle.

ceejayoz 12y ago
> $182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle. That's half a millennium's income for the billion people on the planet who live on a dollar a day. There are plenty of folks for whom a few thousand dollars is life-changing.
- borgia 12y ago
  Unless the person in question took the money and ran off to join a tribe in Africa or similar for the rest of their days, the point still stands.
  - masukomi 12y ago
    I've been to a lot of places in Latin America that have roads, and modern construction houses, electricity, water, and cell connections where $182k would last you a very VERY long time. decades easily. I met a man in Peru with a restaurant directly on the Panamerican, and two taxis who was doing very well for himself earning $5k a year...
    - donkeyd 12y ago
      And it's pretty easy to leave everything you have and know behind, and start over in a new country where standards of living are totally different.
- proveanegative 12y ago
  With the principle of charity in mind I'd interpret Red_Tarsius's comment as saying "$182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle under B's circumstances", not "$182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle for anyone".
  - DanBC 12y ago
    Anyone who thinks $180,000 is not life changing: please feel free to send me just 0.55% of that which would make my life considerably easier for at least the next year. There are many Americans for whom $1,000 would be actually life changing -- allowing them to escape the bizarrely restrictive chain of courtroom imposed debt found in places like Fergusson.
- emodendroket 12y ago
  Yes, if you were a Chinese peasant maybe making $8 an hour at McDonald's would sound great too, but that's not really meaningful to most of the people posting here.
  - aikah 12y ago
    In a country where people would kill you just for an iphone(and I'm not talking about China here), $182,000 is a lot of money. > but that's not really meaningful to most of the people posting here not sure on what planet you are living on. Most people here don't make that kind of money in a year.
    - emodendroket 12y ago
      I'd bet the vast majority of people here see $180k in four years or less. Talking about it in terms of people living on less than a dollar a day isn't really that meaningful for us.
  - DaFranker 12y ago
    180k$ USD, if I plan well, will last me ten years. By third-world standards, I live like a rich noble from Siliconvalleystan. If I didn't have a SO and knew where I could get a fake replacement identity quickly enough? Yep, the 180k sounds pretty good. Especially since going to "prison" for two years where I live is the worst punishment I'd get, and that's basically synonymous with "Big Continuous Frat Party with Free Room & Board, sports fields and exterior barbecue (with weekly beer party) included!". I'd bet the missing creator just moved to Canada.
Nursie 12y ago
>> $182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle. You're kidding right? Even in the rich western world 182 grand is a massive amount of money for most people. A large number of people in our societies have negative net worth. Many are living paycheck to paycheck. An extra 2 grand a month for almost 8 years is very much lifechanging money, if you get away with it.
- Lawtonfogle 12y ago
  I think this is a big factor in crime. For most here, $182,000 is definitely not worth the risks. They have good secure jobs where they could save that over a few years, where taking the money would not cost just their job but their entire career. Right or wrong doesn't even factor in, taking that money and running it a bad business decision. But there are others, dirt poor, who live off of less than $20,000 a year. Some live off even far less than that. They have no career. To them this is 10 years of payment with vastly little risk. It is nowhere near the as bad a business decision to take the money and run. In the more extreme cases, there is so much to gain with little to lose. And this is completely ignoring those who don't make this much in their lifetime. "First comes a full stomach, then comes ethics." -Bertolt Brecht
- thaumasiotes 12y ago
  > A large number of people in our societies have negative net worth. While this is true (for some value of 'large'), a lot of those people with negative net worth are by all indications very wealthy. You don't hit a net worth of minus 50 million by being poor.
  - Nursie 12y ago
    True, and I didn't necessarily mean (for instance) homeowners with mortgages, though the house usually offsets that. A lot of folks live with debt. A lot of folks don't make anywhere near Silicon Valley money even in a decent career, and many, many people don't have a career to speak of. I have no idea of the personal situation of the person that actually walked away here, of course.

ceejayoz 12y ago

> $182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle. That's half a millennium's income for the billion people on the planet who live on a dollar a day. There are plenty of folks for whom a few thousand dollars is life-changing.

borgia 12y ago
Unless the person in question took the money and ran off to join a tribe in Africa or similar for the rest of their days, the point still stands.
- masukomi 12y ago
  I've been to a lot of places in Latin America that have roads, and modern construction houses, electricity, water, and cell connections where $182k would last you a very VERY long time. decades easily. I met a man in Peru with a restaurant directly on the Panamerican, and two taxis who was doing very well for himself earning $5k a year...
  - donkeyd 12y ago
    And it's pretty easy to leave everything you have and know behind, and start over in a new country where standards of living are totally different.
proveanegative 12y ago
With the principle of charity in mind I'd interpret Red_Tarsius's comment as saying "$182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle under B's circumstances", not "$182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle for anyone".
- DanBC 12y ago
  Anyone who thinks $180,000 is not life changing: please feel free to send me just 0.55% of that which would make my life considerably easier for at least the next year. There are many Americans for whom $1,000 would be actually life changing -- allowing them to escape the bizarrely restrictive chain of courtroom imposed debt found in places like Fergusson.
emodendroket 12y ago
Yes, if you were a Chinese peasant maybe making $8 an hour at McDonald's would sound great too, but that's not really meaningful to most of the people posting here.
- aikah 12y ago
  In a country where people would kill you just for an iphone(and I'm not talking about China here), $182,000 is a lot of money. > but that's not really meaningful to most of the people posting here not sure on what planet you are living on. Most people here don't make that kind of money in a year.
  - emodendroket 12y ago
    I'd bet the vast majority of people here see $180k in four years or less. Talking about it in terms of people living on less than a dollar a day isn't really that meaningful for us.
- DaFranker 12y ago
  180k$ USD, if I plan well, will last me ten years. By third-world standards, I live like a rich noble from Siliconvalleystan. If I didn't have a SO and knew where I could get a fake replacement identity quickly enough? Yep, the 180k sounds pretty good. Especially since going to "prison" for two years where I live is the worst punishment I'd get, and that's basically synonymous with "Big Continuous Frat Party with Free Room & Board, sports fields and exterior barbecue (with weekly beer party) included!". I'd bet the missing creator just moved to Canada.

Nursie 12y ago

>> $182,000 don't make for a life changing hustle. You're kidding right? Even in the rich western world 182 grand is a massive amount of money for most people. A large number of people in our societies have negative net worth. Many are living paycheck to paycheck. An extra 2 grand a month for almost 8 years is very much lifechanging money, if you get away with it.

Lawtonfogle 12y ago
I think this is a big factor in crime. For most here, $182,000 is definitely not worth the risks. They have good secure jobs where they could save that over a few years, where taking the money would not cost just their job but their entire career. Right or wrong doesn't even factor in, taking that money and running it a bad business decision. But there are others, dirt poor, who live off of less than $20,000 a year. Some live off even far less than that. They have no career. To them this is 10 years of payment with vastly little risk. It is nowhere near the as bad a business decision to take the money and run. In the more extreme cases, there is so much to gain with little to lose. And this is completely ignoring those who don't make this much in their lifetime. "First comes a full stomach, then comes ethics." -Bertolt Brecht
thaumasiotes 12y ago
> A large number of people in our societies have negative net worth. While this is true (for some value of 'large'), a lot of those people with negative net worth are by all indications very wealthy. You don't hit a net worth of minus 50 million by being poor.
- Nursie 12y ago
  True, and I didn't necessarily mean (for instance) homeowners with mortgages, though the house usually offsets that. A lot of folks live with debt. A lot of folks don't make anywhere near Silicon Valley money even in a decent career, and many, many people don't have a career to speak of. I have no idea of the personal situation of the person that actually walked away here, of course.