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Progress isn't just about the upper bounds of human achievement, but also the average. I think it's a mistake to confuse the two, or to place one too high above

by aristus 12y ago

Progress isn't just about the upper bounds of human achievement, but also the average. I think it's a mistake to confuse the two, or to place one too high above the other. Of all people you should appreciate that. :) If the next generation tackles calc or recursion even one year earlier or one percentage point more often than yours did, that's a huge cumulative win.

ColinWright 12y ago
> "Of all people you should appreciate that." I do know that - I know that very well. I'm just interested to see that with all the vast amount of progress that has been made, and all the tools available for language analysis, this system still make mistakes like that. I'd love to see more about how much this is gluing together existing components, and how much is original to the project. Back when I was doing this everything had to be written by hand, from scratch. So much time was spent/wasted in basic, underlying stuff. It's fantastic that people now have so many resources that they don't have to start from so far back, and the inventiveness can shine through. I'd love to see the inventiveness in this and other projects, but it's hard to see what's really new.
- seanlevan 12y ago
  That's the interesting thing- I am not, unlike most chatterbot projects, using existing technologies and jumbling it together- a quick glance at the "read more" page on the technologies of ACUMAN will tell you otherwise. Everything is made from scratch. From the ground-up. I could have used AIML (the AI version of XML), or anything I wanted. But instead, to make it unique and customizable to the demand of this project, I created my own markup language entitled ACUMANSCRIPT. Even the sentiment analysis algorithms are made from scratch by using Naive Bayens algorithms. The only APIs in use are those for some aspects of the knowledge base, which is a must in any machine learning or artificial intelligence project, as not leveraging the massive amount of data available on the internet would be a waste. I sincerely doubt that we are anywhere near a flawless piece of artificial intelligence software, but this is not a result of people's lack of diligence in the field, but rather a testimony to it's complexities. Google has made a short documentary explaining why natural language processing and machine learning are some of the hardest fields due to their surprisingly complex nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxRAHVtafI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxRAHVtafI
  - ColinWright 12y ago
    Right, that's much more interesting, especially making your own markup. Did you read extensively and decide that AIML and friends were not really suitable and hence you had to make your own, or did you make your own because you wanted to get a feel for the problem domain before trying to take advantage of the work others have done? ... doubt that we are anywhere near a flawless piece of artificial intelligence software, but this is not a result of people's lack of diligence in the field, but rather a testimony to its complexities. That is certainly true. ... a quick glance at the "read more" page on the technologies ... That button isn't working on my browser: the latest Firefox on the latest Ubuntu. When I get time I'll look at it using Chrome, but I've got other stuff on at the moment. It would be interesting to know more about ACUMANSCRIPT - are you intending to release it or otherwise make it available? How are you tapping into the "knowledge bases"? If these questions are answered in the (currently no working for me) link on your page then don't answer them again here, but you might want to write a page specifically talking about these things and submit that here.
    - seanlevan 12y ago
      Thank you for expressing interest. You are correct, there are some issues that may be encountered with Firefox, particularly in a non-OS X or non-Windows environment. I am currently working on fixing those bugs. Here is the URL: http://acuman.us/readmore.php http://acuman.us/readmore.php I decided that AIML was not useful to me because it was too rigid in syntax and was too static. This is particularly in the manner in which most AIML interpreters parse the syntax, making a rigid "if hello is in string, then say nice meeting you" syllogism (basically a beefed-up conditional statement) that essential has no room or place in actual artificial intelligence. I could have adjusted it to match my needs by creating my own interpreter, but I thought if I was going to accomplish that, why not create my own syntax that matches my needs better and has syntax that is even less convoluted and more focused on pattern-matching and machine learning? I thought of releasing an API where you can code using the syntax of ACUMANSCRIPT- but I am unfortunately not prepared for open-sourcing ACUMAN's main architecture code due to it still competing in contests and fairs.

by aristus 12y ago

ColinWright 12y ago

> "Of all people you should appreciate that." I do know that - I know that very well. I'm just interested to see that with all the vast amount of progress that has been made, and all the tools available for language analysis, this system still make mistakes like that. I'd love to see more about how much this is gluing together existing components, and how much is original to the project. Back when I was doing this everything had to be written by hand, from scratch. So much time was spent/wasted in basic, underlying stuff. It's fantastic that people now have so many resources that they don't have to start from so far back, and the inventiveness can shine through. I'd love to see the inventiveness in this and other projects, but it's hard to see what's really new.

seanlevan 12y ago
That's the interesting thing- I am not, unlike most chatterbot projects, using existing technologies and jumbling it together- a quick glance at the "read more" page on the technologies of ACUMAN will tell you otherwise. Everything is made from scratch. From the ground-up. I could have used AIML (the AI version of XML), or anything I wanted. But instead, to make it unique and customizable to the demand of this project, I created my own markup language entitled ACUMANSCRIPT. Even the sentiment analysis algorithms are made from scratch by using Naive Bayens algorithms. The only APIs in use are those for some aspects of the knowledge base, which is a must in any machine learning or artificial intelligence project, as not leveraging the massive amount of data available on the internet would be a waste. I sincerely doubt that we are anywhere near a flawless piece of artificial intelligence software, but this is not a result of people's lack of diligence in the field, but rather a testimony to it's complexities. Google has made a short documentary explaining why natural language processing and machine learning are some of the hardest fields due to their surprisingly complex nature: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxRAHVtafI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxRAHVtafI
- ColinWright 12y ago
  Right, that's much more interesting, especially making your own markup. Did you read extensively and decide that AIML and friends were not really suitable and hence you had to make your own, or did you make your own because you wanted to get a feel for the problem domain before trying to take advantage of the work others have done? ... doubt that we are anywhere near a flawless piece of artificial intelligence software, but this is not a result of people's lack of diligence in the field, but rather a testimony to its complexities. That is certainly true. ... a quick glance at the "read more" page on the technologies ... That button isn't working on my browser: the latest Firefox on the latest Ubuntu. When I get time I'll look at it using Chrome, but I've got other stuff on at the moment. It would be interesting to know more about ACUMANSCRIPT - are you intending to release it or otherwise make it available? How are you tapping into the "knowledge bases"? If these questions are answered in the (currently no working for me) link on your page then don't answer them again here, but you might want to write a page specifically talking about these things and submit that here.
  - seanlevan 12y ago
    Thank you for expressing interest. You are correct, there are some issues that may be encountered with Firefox, particularly in a non-OS X or non-Windows environment. I am currently working on fixing those bugs. Here is the URL: http://acuman.us/readmore.php http://acuman.us/readmore.php I decided that AIML was not useful to me because it was too rigid in syntax and was too static. This is particularly in the manner in which most AIML interpreters parse the syntax, making a rigid "if hello is in string, then say nice meeting you" syllogism (basically a beefed-up conditional statement) that essential has no room or place in actual artificial intelligence. I could have adjusted it to match my needs by creating my own interpreter, but I thought if I was going to accomplish that, why not create my own syntax that matches my needs better and has syntax that is even less convoluted and more focused on pattern-matching and machine learning? I thought of releasing an API where you can code using the syntax of ACUMANSCRIPT- but I am unfortunately not prepared for open-sourcing ACUMAN's main architecture code due to it still competing in contests and fairs.