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This isn't really an endorsement though is it. IANAL and I'm not often in court with cops and I say cooperate they're people too. shrugs

MBlume 11y ago
They're...people who want to point guns at you and steal your money? Why would anyone want to cooperate with people like that?
- vegedor 11y ago
  because if you cooperate, they have one reason less to feel aggravated or get agitated. It's not black and white, good or bad, don't tempt a cop with a short fuse.
_delirium 11y ago
In my experience, American cops are indeed 100% people, but a significant proportion are not good people. The worst, most vicious people I knew from high school became policemen. There are no standards. The police admit any ol' gun-fetishist idiot who wants to beat up "hippies and negroes". It barely even matters if he can hold a gun straight, because there are no standards and no accountability.
thanksgiving 11y ago
I agree with grandfather here. Do not cooperate with law enforcement when you have an option. This does not mean be rude to them or try to be difficult. It just means that you have to assert your rights. Any cop who does not respect a person's rights does not, in my eyes, deserve cooperation. Of course, almost everyone would love to help the police with their investigation as much as they can but in a litigious climate with plea bargaining (and not to even talk about the illegal quotas that officers need to meet), I am simply not convinced that there is enough incentive for law enforcement to get the right person. Life is not CSI. Cops are people too. They want to go home at the end of the day. I am not saying all police officers are corrupt all the time. I am simply saying most of them are overworked (and perhaps underpaid) a lot. If you think about it from this perspective, I hope you'll agree that not asserting your rights and helping law enforcement is a terrible idea. There is a video on YouTube that talks about the same thing. If they tell you the investigation is not directed towards you, have them give you something in writing (make sure your lawyer reads it) that grants you a full and unconditional pardon. Of course, they will not grant it. In case of jaywalking, I'd say the law is flawed. If the people who allocate resources for law enforcement think that it is enough of a problem, they should allocate enough resources to cover for people's right to refuse to identify themselves unless presented with a warrant. In the same vein, I really wish that the monies from fines and tickets not go to the police or to the general treasury at all. I wish we treated such money as bad money. I don't know what we'd do with it but doing any good with bad money taints the good efforts and will eventually rot the effort. (E.g., civil forfeiture in the incredibly stupid war on drugs) IANAL.
FAC3B33F 11y ago
The cops are not your friends. They are not there to protect you, your safety or your property. They are rapists, extortionists and killers, employed by the State to maintain its thuggish power through violence and intimidation and protect the status quo. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution exists because the Founding Fathers understood that the State should be kept always at the point of a gun. The relationship between the People and the State be one of brevity and violence, otherwise tyranny is inevitable. Never talk to them. Never cooperate with them. Never help them. Never see them as your fellow citizens. They are not.

MBlume 11y ago

They're...people who want to point guns at you and steal your money? Why would anyone want to cooperate with people like that?

vegedor 11y ago
because if you cooperate, they have one reason less to feel aggravated or get agitated. It's not black and white, good or bad, don't tempt a cop with a short fuse.

_delirium 11y ago

In my experience, American cops are indeed 100% people, but a significant proportion are not good people. The worst, most vicious people I knew from high school became policemen. There are no standards. The police admit any ol' gun-fetishist idiot who wants to beat up "hippies and negroes". It barely even matters if he can hold a gun straight, because there are no standards and no accountability.

thanksgiving 11y ago

I agree with grandfather here. Do not cooperate with law enforcement when you have an option. This does not mean be rude to them or try to be difficult. It just means that you have to assert your rights. Any cop who does not respect a person's rights does not, in my eyes, deserve cooperation. Of course, almost everyone would love to help the police with their investigation as much as they can but in a litigious climate with plea bargaining (and not to even talk about the illegal quotas that officers need to meet), I am simply not convinced that there is enough incentive for law enforcement to get the right person. Life is not CSI. Cops are people too. They want to go home at the end of the day. I am not saying all police officers are corrupt all the time. I am simply saying most of them are overworked (and perhaps underpaid) a lot. If you think about it from this perspective, I hope you'll agree that not asserting your rights and helping law enforcement is a terrible idea. There is a video on YouTube that talks about the same thing. If they tell you the investigation is not directed towards you, have them give you something in writing (make sure your lawyer reads it) that grants you a full and unconditional pardon. Of course, they will not grant it. In case of jaywalking, I'd say the law is flawed. If the people who allocate resources for law enforcement think that it is enough of a problem, they should allocate enough resources to cover for people's right to refuse to identify themselves unless presented with a warrant. In the same vein, I really wish that the monies from fines and tickets not go to the police or to the general treasury at all. I wish we treated such money as bad money. I don't know what we'd do with it but doing any good with bad money taints the good efforts and will eventually rot the effort. (E.g., civil forfeiture in the incredibly stupid war on drugs) IANAL.

FAC3B33F 11y ago

The cops are not your friends. They are not there to protect you, your safety or your property. They are rapists, extortionists and killers, employed by the State to maintain its thuggish power through violence and intimidation and protect the status quo. The Second Amendment of the US Constitution exists because the Founding Fathers understood that the State should be kept always at the point of a gun. The relationship between the People and the State be one of brevity and violence, otherwise tyranny is inevitable. Never talk to them. Never cooperate with them. Never help them. Never see them as your fellow citizens. They are not.