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There is a bigger picture you're not aware of that is in play here. Zuckerberg is providing free internet to millions.

nileshtrivedi 11y ago
There are ways to provide free internet to millions, while NOT compromising on neutrality or providing convenient network leverage to Facebook and Reliance to pick winners. How is X megabytes / month for free but with ads (this is network neutral) not better than Internet.org's current model? Why not let those millions decide which are the essential internet services for them? Do the poor millions don't deserve choice? Let the user chose for himself. How hard can this be?
- fwn 11y ago
  This is not about choice. (.. or we would appreciate the option to browse facebook for free.) It's about net neutrality. Unconnected people in India shouldn't destroy the bad impression we associated with this policy in the first place.
- anoncow 11y ago
  > with ads Why ads? Facebook would be providing internet.org for free, right? If the goal is getting more people on the internet, then internet.org could provide unfettered access to the internet and still reach their goal. However, if the aim is to get more people on their platform and increase Facebook's bottom line, then the goal is about manipulating one of the most disenfranchised people. A way out for the zero rated schemes and internet.org is to sponsor bandwidth for the end user. The telecom service providers could offer 100mb per month free to the end users and bill internet.org et al for the service.
  - rjaco31 11y ago
    If you provide free capped connections to the end-users (with selected services not counting toward the cap), that would be a totally different discussion indeed. But that's not the case here.
hrehhf 11y ago
Except providing free access to Facebook is not "free internet." It is just free Facebook (and whatever related services). It is not truly "the internet" if it is restricted to Facebook (and associated services).
- fwn 11y ago
  Better no internet than facebook? Sounds cynic.
  - carapace 11y ago
    Better just internet. It's like McDonald's building "free" roads that you can use to reach McDonald's, but if you want to go anywhere else you have to pay tolls. It is unbelievably self-serving and for Zuckerburg to dissemble on that point is wildly disingenuous. "Well, at least they can reach McDonald's" is not a good argument against just building roads and letting people drive wherever.
    - minot 11y ago
      I like this analogy with roads because land like wireless spectrum is a very finite resource especially at the last mile. Personally, I wish there was a better scheme to allocate precious wireless spectrum other than giving a 100 year license to the highest bidder in an auction. (Whether the auction is rigged or not is besides the point.) We talk about common carrier when it comes to wireline communication but why can't we do the same for wireless? I don't know about others but it sickens me to think that we consider it an achievement to raise a couple of billion dollars for granting exclusive license to prime low frequency spectrum to Cingular/Verizon. Wouldn't it be better if wireless carriers didn't have to fight over who has the least bad coverage? There has to be a better way...
    - derekp7 11y ago
      To me it sounds like McDonalds sending out a free shuttle bus to pick you up, but the shuttle only takes you to McDonalds (and not Wendy's or whatever). This actually exists with things like free hotel airport shuttles.
na85 11y ago
No, what he's doing is providing free Facebook so that his user base increases, so he has more people's privacy to exploit, mine for data, and then sell to the highest bidder.

There are ways to provide free internet to millions, while NOT compromising on neutrality or providing convenient network leverage to Facebook and Reliance to pick winners. How is X megabytes / month for free but with ads (this is network neutral) not better than Internet.org's current model? Why not let those millions decide which are the essential internet services for them? Do the poor millions don't deserve choice? Let the user chose for himself. How hard can this be?

fwn 11y ago
This is not about choice. (.. or we would appreciate the option to browse facebook for free.) It's about net neutrality. Unconnected people in India shouldn't destroy the bad impression we associated with this policy in the first place.
anoncow 11y ago
> with ads Why ads? Facebook would be providing internet.org for free, right? If the goal is getting more people on the internet, then internet.org could provide unfettered access to the internet and still reach their goal. However, if the aim is to get more people on their platform and increase Facebook's bottom line, then the goal is about manipulating one of the most disenfranchised people. A way out for the zero rated schemes and internet.org is to sponsor bandwidth for the end user. The telecom service providers could offer 100mb per month free to the end users and bill internet.org et al for the service.
- rjaco31 11y ago
  If you provide free capped connections to the end-users (with selected services not counting toward the cap), that would be a totally different discussion indeed. But that's not the case here.

hrehhf 11y ago

Except providing free access to Facebook is not "free internet." It is just free Facebook (and whatever related services). It is not truly "the internet" if it is restricted to Facebook (and associated services).

fwn 11y ago
Better no internet than facebook? Sounds cynic.
- carapace 11y ago
  Better just internet. It's like McDonald's building "free" roads that you can use to reach McDonald's, but if you want to go anywhere else you have to pay tolls. It is unbelievably self-serving and for Zuckerburg to dissemble on that point is wildly disingenuous. "Well, at least they can reach McDonald's" is not a good argument against just building roads and letting people drive wherever.
  - minot 11y ago
    I like this analogy with roads because land like wireless spectrum is a very finite resource especially at the last mile. Personally, I wish there was a better scheme to allocate precious wireless spectrum other than giving a 100 year license to the highest bidder in an auction. (Whether the auction is rigged or not is besides the point.) We talk about common carrier when it comes to wireline communication but why can't we do the same for wireless? I don't know about others but it sickens me to think that we consider it an achievement to raise a couple of billion dollars for granting exclusive license to prime low frequency spectrum to Cingular/Verizon. Wouldn't it be better if wireless carriers didn't have to fight over who has the least bad coverage? There has to be a better way...
  - derekp7 11y ago
    To me it sounds like McDonalds sending out a free shuttle bus to pick you up, but the shuttle only takes you to McDonalds (and not Wendy's or whatever). This actually exists with things like free hotel airport shuttles.

na85 11y ago

No, what he's doing is providing free Facebook so that his user base increases, so he has more people's privacy to exploit, mine for data, and then sell to the highest bidder.