So you are saying that the current no fly list is as bad as having to apply for a license to travel every time you intend to? They are different things. When t

So you are saying that the current no fly list is as bad as having to apply for a license to travel every time you intend to? They are different things. When the government says "you must apply for a license before you do X" it means you are denied until permitted. The current implementation of the no fly list seems to be "permitted until denied". That isn't to say the process of getting on/off the list is good, just that it's not nearly as bad as being denied by default.