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I think I did an okay job selling myself if we get to the offer stage. I don't understand why overselling oneself, or convincing the business to make a bad bus

I think I did an okay job selling myself if we get to the offer stage. I don't understand why overselling oneself, or convincing the business to make a bad business decision is a valuable trait. I don't want to work with Alec Baldwin, coffee is for closers, dude seems like a difficult person to work with.

Nadya 12y ago
If you get to the offer stage - you met the bare minimum requirements. Depending on the field and other number of applicants - that could mean you have "5 years experience" and not much else. It doesn't always mean you sold yourself best in your resume & cover letter. It's a bad business decision from their starting perspective. The ability to change their minds and onboard them to invest their time/money into your business is good for your business (or your employers' business). Therefore, companies look for people who are good at negotiation. It's a large part of how business/companies operate. Ever try giving an elevator pitch? A person who can successfully onboard someone in under two minutes is a very, very valuable employee to have because they will be good at winning your business more business. Overselling yourself or convincing a business to make a bad decision happens sometimes. Not necessarily on purpose! But if a salesman/marketer does this often enough, people stop doing business with them. People prefer to do business when it is mutually beneficial. Given a choice between two employees of equal merit - the one who can negotiate will always be the more valuable asset to the company. (But then that isn't really equal merit... is it?)
- proksoup 12y ago
  My gripe is that I have no leverage negotiating. Salary is like the last thing I care about in which employer I choose. If I like the company, I would take less than they offered probably. If I don't like the company, I would probably not want to work there no matter the offer. If I ask for more money, but am unwilling to walk away, I feel like I'm starting the relationship off on a bad foot. I feel like favoring negotiators favors people who don't care who they work for, and are most interested in money.
  - Nadya 12y ago
    It sounds like you should work on your negotiation skills. I'm willing to bet you do have leverage - and if you truly don't - why do you think you deserve as much money as someone who does? If they have more to offer then surely they should be paid more for being better qualified and able to offer more value to the company? > I feel like favoring negotiators favors people who don't care who they work for, and are most interested in money. Why not both? I love who I work for and would not leave to any other company that offered equivalent or even slightly better pay. Even if offered much superior pay, I would consult first with my company about a raise to match the offer given before making a decision to leave or not. If the company I am working for doesn't think I deserve the pay the other company does - chances are I'm going to choose the other company. Simply because being valued is nice. Not being valued or deemed "worth keeping" would make me think I am not wanted at my current company, making leaving for a company that does want me sound rather appealing.

Nadya 12y ago

If you get to the offer stage - you met the bare minimum requirements. Depending on the field and other number of applicants - that could mean you have "5 years experience" and not much else. It doesn't always mean you sold yourself best in your resume & cover letter. It's a bad business decision from their starting perspective. The ability to change their minds and onboard them to invest their time/money into your business is good for your business (or your employers' business). Therefore, companies look for people who are good at negotiation. It's a large part of how business/companies operate. Ever try giving an elevator pitch? A person who can successfully onboard someone in under two minutes is a very, very valuable employee to have because they will be good at winning your business more business. Overselling yourself or convincing a business to make a bad decision happens sometimes. Not necessarily on purpose! But if a salesman/marketer does this often enough, people stop doing business with them. People prefer to do business when it is mutually beneficial. Given a choice between two employees of equal merit - the one who can negotiate will always be the more valuable asset to the company. (But then that isn't really equal merit... is it?)

proksoup 12y ago
My gripe is that I have no leverage negotiating. Salary is like the last thing I care about in which employer I choose. If I like the company, I would take less than they offered probably. If I don't like the company, I would probably not want to work there no matter the offer. If I ask for more money, but am unwilling to walk away, I feel like I'm starting the relationship off on a bad foot. I feel like favoring negotiators favors people who don't care who they work for, and are most interested in money.
- Nadya 12y ago
  It sounds like you should work on your negotiation skills. I'm willing to bet you do have leverage - and if you truly don't - why do you think you deserve as much money as someone who does? If they have more to offer then surely they should be paid more for being better qualified and able to offer more value to the company? > I feel like favoring negotiators favors people who don't care who they work for, and are most interested in money. Why not both? I love who I work for and would not leave to any other company that offered equivalent or even slightly better pay. Even if offered much superior pay, I would consult first with my company about a raise to match the offer given before making a decision to leave or not. If the company I am working for doesn't think I deserve the pay the other company does - chances are I'm going to choose the other company. Simply because being valued is nice. Not being valued or deemed "worth keeping" would make me think I am not wanted at my current company, making leaving for a company that does want me sound rather appealing.