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Huge Gender Bias Found in Hiring

23 points by kelukelugames 12y ago

kelukelugames 12y ago
I will be the first to admit: there might be implicit biases for hiring a men but all of the spoken preferences are for women. (coming from myself, managers, recruiters). Female candidates are actively treated differently.
venomsnake 12y ago
Guilty of that myself ... 10 years ago I said that the next developer will be a woman. She was just awesome. Also pretty. And could curse and throw slurs with the best of us :)
dudul 12y ago
I don't see why this is posted under #gender inequality. How can it be gender inequality if it disadvantages males? It doesn't count.
- Vaskivo 12y ago
  I really hope you forgot a smiley in your post.
- zcdziura 12y ago
  Can't tell if sarcasm...
  - dudul 12y ago
    Sadly, the fact that my post could be seen as serious shows how good of a work liberals and sjw have done.
NTDF9 12y ago
I don't think the people standing on the sidelines crying wolf really understand the situation. The reality is that there are VERY FEW female graduates doing anything related to tech. That's why tech is male dominated. Go look at CS, EE, ECE departments of any school. There are very few women. Outside of tech, gender bias is very common. Why? Because some roles require skills that the other gender did not develop (nature or nuture..no idea) Example, firefighters are a male dominated role. Nurses are a female dominated role. Are there exceptions? Yes. Are either of these groups sitting together in a big "dickfest/boobfest" meeting and actively deciding not to hire the other gender? No. Most women complaining from the sidelines should go and develop skills that male-dominated roles require. Also, be ready to compete for a job. If you want to be treated like men, be willing to accept job rejections. For every male hired in a role, there were many other males rejected. Just being male wasn't enough. Subtle nuance but an important one to understand that nobody is colluding against women.
- MollyR 12y ago
  I suspect a lot people just don't want to compete, or think they deserve a job just for showing up to the interview. Sometimes I wonder if this is a side effect of the all children deserve a trophy culture. People can't accept that they aren't good enough, and need to train some more or develop the right skills. Or maybe social media has made us sociopathic narcissists ? I don't know
- pc2g4d 12y ago
  The real question would seem to be why females get filtered out of tech before finishing college. Were they pushed away from it along the way, or just not interested? Maybe crowding into a CS computer lab dungeon full of sweaty, stinky twenty-something men was unappealing?
  - vellum 12y ago
    It starts earlier than college. The male/female ratio for Advanced Placement Computer Science test-takers is 80/20, which mirrors the ratio in the industry. AP Biology, on the other hand, is 42/58. http://www.exploringcs.org/resources/cs-statistics http://www.exploringcs.org/resources/cs-statistics
  - NTDF9 12y ago
    >> Maybe crowding into a CS computer lab dungeon full of sweaty, stinky twenty-something men was unappealing? >> why females get filtered out of tech before finishing college? This is the reason. Some jobs need sweating. No way around it. Most women want the pay and benefits without the sweat.
jleyank 12y ago
If the goal is to have roughly equal distribution according to some metric and the company/field/whatever has a skewed distribution by that metric the hiring is going to be "obviously biased". What other option is there other than accepting that the current state of affairs will continue w/o change? This applies in pretty much every field, and I'm comfortable with trying to have balanced working environments. Role models, mentors, team vs. individual players - pick whatever aspects of interpersonal interactions you're interested and I think things will go worse with a monoculture. Gender and aspects of gender are the flavour at the moment, but it's been other things in the past and will be other things in the future. Unless it's a solo project, actions to improve aggregate performance are a win. And such improvements include "soft" aspects such as "can we secure work", "can we retain/recruit talent", "can we secure funding", "will dogs eat our dog food", ...
pcurve 12y ago
This isn't surprising. What bothers me though, is discriminatory practice in promotion. I routinely see females get promoted when they: 1. marry 2. have babies
Khaine 12y ago
Colour me shocked. Men have consistently been negatively stereotyped for a long time. Ask parents if they would accept a male nanny, and all you hear is concerns of pedophiles. You turn on TV and you see dumb incompetent slobs whose wives are the smart ones in the family. I wonder if that leads to any sort of bias against men?

23 points by kelukelugames 12y ago

I will be the first to admit: there might be implicit biases for hiring a men but all of the spoken preferences are for women. (coming from myself, managers, recruiters). Female candidates are actively treated differently.

venomsnake 12y ago

Guilty of that myself ... 10 years ago I said that the next developer will be a woman. She was just awesome. Also pretty. And could curse and throw slurs with the best of us :)

dudul 12y ago

I don't see why this is posted under #gender inequality. How can it be gender inequality if it disadvantages males? It doesn't count.

Vaskivo 12y ago
I really hope you forgot a smiley in your post.
zcdziura 12y ago
Can't tell if sarcasm...
- dudul 12y ago
  Sadly, the fact that my post could be seen as serious shows how good of a work liberals and sjw have done.

NTDF9 12y ago

I don't think the people standing on the sidelines crying wolf really understand the situation. The reality is that there are VERY FEW female graduates doing anything related to tech. That's why tech is male dominated. Go look at CS, EE, ECE departments of any school. There are very few women. Outside of tech, gender bias is very common. Why? Because some roles require skills that the other gender did not develop (nature or nuture..no idea) Example, firefighters are a male dominated role. Nurses are a female dominated role. Are there exceptions? Yes. Are either of these groups sitting together in a big "dickfest/boobfest" meeting and actively deciding not to hire the other gender? No. Most women complaining from the sidelines should go and develop skills that male-dominated roles require. Also, be ready to compete for a job. If you want to be treated like men, be willing to accept job rejections. For every male hired in a role, there were many other males rejected. Just being male wasn't enough. Subtle nuance but an important one to understand that nobody is colluding against women.

MollyR 12y ago
I suspect a lot people just don't want to compete, or think they deserve a job just for showing up to the interview. Sometimes I wonder if this is a side effect of the all children deserve a trophy culture. People can't accept that they aren't good enough, and need to train some more or develop the right skills. Or maybe social media has made us sociopathic narcissists ? I don't know
pc2g4d 12y ago
The real question would seem to be why females get filtered out of tech before finishing college. Were they pushed away from it along the way, or just not interested? Maybe crowding into a CS computer lab dungeon full of sweaty, stinky twenty-something men was unappealing?
- vellum 12y ago
  It starts earlier than college. The male/female ratio for Advanced Placement Computer Science test-takers is 80/20, which mirrors the ratio in the industry. AP Biology, on the other hand, is 42/58. http://www.exploringcs.org/resources/cs-statistics http://www.exploringcs.org/resources/cs-statistics
- NTDF9 12y ago
  >> Maybe crowding into a CS computer lab dungeon full of sweaty, stinky twenty-something men was unappealing? >> why females get filtered out of tech before finishing college? This is the reason. Some jobs need sweating. No way around it. Most women want the pay and benefits without the sweat.

jleyank 12y ago

If the goal is to have roughly equal distribution according to some metric and the company/field/whatever has a skewed distribution by that metric the hiring is going to be "obviously biased". What other option is there other than accepting that the current state of affairs will continue w/o change? This applies in pretty much every field, and I'm comfortable with trying to have balanced working environments. Role models, mentors, team vs. individual players - pick whatever aspects of interpersonal interactions you're interested and I think things will go worse with a monoculture. Gender and aspects of gender are the flavour at the moment, but it's been other things in the past and will be other things in the future. Unless it's a solo project, actions to improve aggregate performance are a win. And such improvements include "soft" aspects such as "can we secure work", "can we retain/recruit talent", "can we secure funding", "will dogs eat our dog food", ...

pcurve 12y ago

This isn't surprising. What bothers me though, is discriminatory practice in promotion. I routinely see females get promoted when they: 1. marry 2. have babies

Khaine 12y ago

Colour me shocked. Men have consistently been negatively stereotyped for a long time. Ask parents if they would accept a male nanny, and all you hear is concerns of pedophiles. You turn on TV and you see dumb incompetent slobs whose wives are the smart ones in the family. I wonder if that leads to any sort of bias against men?