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>I think it's safe to say they sprung up in response to a market need The politics of shaming and diversity guidelines are not market factors. This is like say

>I think it's safe to say they sprung up in response to a market need The politics of shaming and diversity guidelines are not market factors. This is like saying that the market wants us to have brainless middle managers. These things are all market inefficiencies that we should strive to eliminate or minimize. I can't imagine tech pioneers from the 80s and 90s being under scrutiny like groups today are. Would we have Linux if Linus worried that his largely white male contributors weren't diverse enough? Would we have Apple is Jobs felt like he needed to "white knight" the women at his company? Probably not.

Frondo 12y ago
Whoa! I didn't realize that market forces now excluded stuff that you obviously don't like. If the market didn't want us to have "brainless middle managers," as you'd apparently characterize a wide swath of our colleagues, then those people would already have been efficiency'd out. Just like, if people who don't look like you weren't lining up to be involved in hackathons and groups that consist of people who don't look like you, those events wouldn't exist. People pay for it, whether you like it or approve of it or not. Behold, the market works!
- cousin_it 12y ago
  then those people would already have been efficiency'd out If free market theory claimed that bad employees can't exist, that would be a pretty strong blow against free market theory ;-)
AlexandrB 12y ago
> The politics of shaming and diversity guidelines are not market factors. Of course they are! Just like the politics of discrimination and dehumanization were market factors in previous eras. To pretend otherwise is to take a very narrow view of the market that ignores the full range of human interactions. Indeed, trends in industries such as fashion, music, film, and gaming are almost entirely driven by what ideas are popular at a given time and not by some objective utility function of the product.

Frondo 12y ago

Whoa! I didn't realize that market forces now excluded stuff that you obviously don't like. If the market didn't want us to have "brainless middle managers," as you'd apparently characterize a wide swath of our colleagues, then those people would already have been efficiency'd out. Just like, if people who don't look like you weren't lining up to be involved in hackathons and groups that consist of people who don't look like you, those events wouldn't exist. People pay for it, whether you like it or approve of it or not. Behold, the market works!

cousin_it 12y ago
then those people would already have been efficiency'd out If free market theory claimed that bad employees can't exist, that would be a pretty strong blow against free market theory ;-)

AlexandrB 12y ago

> The politics of shaming and diversity guidelines are not market factors. Of course they are! Just like the politics of discrimination and dehumanization were market factors in previous eras. To pretend otherwise is to take a very narrow view of the market that ignores the full range of human interactions. Indeed, trends in industries such as fashion, music, film, and gaming are almost entirely driven by what ideas are popular at a given time and not by some objective utility function of the product.