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20+ women, all telling eerily similar stories spanning across 4 decades ... it is enough to extinguish reasonable doubt for me.

NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
It's sex abuse hysteria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria The women aren't deliberately lying, but they're not telling the truth either. They've talked themselves into believing these things, forming false memories. The more who come forward, the more likely even more will come forward who have had interactions with the man in the past, since when the women tell their stories to the press they're creating an environment where more false memory formation is encouraged (at least until the supply of women who were acquaintences is exhausted). I mean, since we now "know" Cosby is a rapist, every female who ever met him or spent time with him starts wondering if they were drugged ("I might not even remember if I were rufied!"). So poorly remembered details from 40 years ago are re-analyzed, in paranoid fashion, until they're quite sure it was a thousand times creepier than it seemed back then. Every time they go over it in their heads, details mutate slightly. New embellishments occur. Stuff other accusers said in interviews gets conflated with stuff they think they remember...
- glibgil 12y ago
  NoMoreNicksLeft, these were adult women, not children. And Bill Cosby is a comedian, not a day care provider.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
    Yes, adults. Adults do the false memory thing all the time.
- DanBC 12y ago
  People said the same about Saville and Glitter and Max Clifford and Rolf Harris and DLT and etc etc.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
    No, I've not actually seen anyone else saying this. No one calls any of those "sex abuse hysteria", and no one has claimed that false memories are at the root of the problem. Did you even bother to read my comment in a critically, or did your eyes glaze over and you just replied with a stock answer?
- glibgil 12y ago
  My eyes glazed over, yes. Your comments are noxious.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
    If you were actually thinking, then my comment could only be either correct, incorrect, or indeterminate. You're not used to thinking, and so any comment that you dislike or that irritates your politics is "noxious". This is the part where you rebut with outraged fallacy.
    - dang 12y ago
      > Did you even bother to read > You're not used to thinking These comments break the HN guidelines. Please stop.
      - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
        My comments were a response to those that already broke the guidelines. The comment confessed to not reading what I wrote, but with a bragging tone. Pointing out that someone is irrational may be a little uncouth, but it needs to be done.
        dang 12y ago
        If someone else is breaking the guidelines, you're welcome to email us, but not to break them yourself. > Pointing out that someone is irrational may be a little uncouth, but it needs to be done. It needs not to be done. Making it personal like that never helps. When someone says something untrue, politely point out what is true, and make it about the topic, not them.
- dang 12y ago
  > The women aren't deliberately lying, but they're not telling the truth either. They've talked themselves into believing these things, forming false memories. Saying that without knowing it is inexcusable, and you can't possibly know it.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
    But I do know it. I know it because it happens to everyone. It's universal. Your memories work like this. My memories work like this. And the more this is discussed publicly, the more those who have ever spent time with the man (going back all the way to the 1960s, I expect, before even) will try to recall if anything happened to them. This is a natural reaction that will happen for everyone. Do you know what happens when someone tries to remember something from the 1970s when their memories are quite mutable and they've just been primed with weeks worth of seedy Hollywood gossip? I do. This is inevitable. None of this would be at issue, except for the "where there's smoke, there's fire" fallacy/meme which is still too embedded in the human psyche. Worse, the only way you people can imagine that multiple people would make the same false accusation is if they're conspiring.
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NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago

It's sex abuse hysteria. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria The women aren't deliberately lying, but they're not telling the truth either. They've talked themselves into believing these things, forming false memories. The more who come forward, the more likely even more will come forward who have had interactions with the man in the past, since when the women tell their stories to the press they're creating an environment where more false memory formation is encouraged (at least until the supply of women who were acquaintences is exhausted). I mean, since we now "know" Cosby is a rapist, every female who ever met him or spent time with him starts wondering if they were drugged ("I might not even remember if I were rufied!"). So poorly remembered details from 40 years ago are re-analyzed, in paranoid fashion, until they're quite sure it was a thousand times creepier than it seemed back then. Every time they go over it in their heads, details mutate slightly. New embellishments occur. Stuff other accusers said in interviews gets conflated with stuff they think they remember...

glibgil 12y ago
NoMoreNicksLeft, these were adult women, not children. And Bill Cosby is a comedian, not a day care provider.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
  Yes, adults. Adults do the false memory thing all the time.
DanBC 12y ago
People said the same about Saville and Glitter and Max Clifford and Rolf Harris and DLT and etc etc.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
  No, I've not actually seen anyone else saying this. No one calls any of those "sex abuse hysteria", and no one has claimed that false memories are at the root of the problem. Did you even bother to read my comment in a critically, or did your eyes glaze over and you just replied with a stock answer?
glibgil 12y ago
My eyes glazed over, yes. Your comments are noxious.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
  If you were actually thinking, then my comment could only be either correct, incorrect, or indeterminate. You're not used to thinking, and so any comment that you dislike or that irritates your politics is "noxious". This is the part where you rebut with outraged fallacy.
  - dang 12y ago
    > Did you even bother to read > You're not used to thinking These comments break the HN guidelines. Please stop.
    - NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
      My comments were a response to those that already broke the guidelines. The comment confessed to not reading what I wrote, but with a bragging tone. Pointing out that someone is irrational may be a little uncouth, but it needs to be done.
      - dang 12y ago
        If someone else is breaking the guidelines, you're welcome to email us, but not to break them yourself. > Pointing out that someone is irrational may be a little uncouth, but it needs to be done. It needs not to be done. Making it personal like that never helps. When someone says something untrue, politely point out what is true, and make it about the topic, not them.
dang 12y ago
> The women aren't deliberately lying, but they're not telling the truth either. They've talked themselves into believing these things, forming false memories. Saying that without knowing it is inexcusable, and you can't possibly know it.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 12y ago
  But I do know it. I know it because it happens to everyone. It's universal. Your memories work like this. My memories work like this. And the more this is discussed publicly, the more those who have ever spent time with the man (going back all the way to the 1960s, I expect, before even) will try to recall if anything happened to them. This is a natural reaction that will happen for everyone. Do you know what happens when someone tries to remember something from the 1970s when their memories are quite mutable and they've just been primed with weeks worth of seedy Hollywood gossip? I do. This is inevitable. None of this would be at issue, except for the "where there's smoke, there's fire" fallacy/meme which is still too embedded in the human psyche. Worse, the only way you people can imagine that multiple people would make the same false accusation is if they're conspiring.

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