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There's no proof that women are systematically targeted to be ousted from the tech field. I haven't seen any research papers with any clear evidence of this oth
by digitalzombie 12y ago
There's no proof that women are systematically targeted to be ousted from the tech field. I haven't seen any research papers with any clear evidence of this other than that there are more boys than girls in a particular field.
I'm sure there are other occupation with the same thing. There are too many Fillipino in Nurse career I don't see any body saying to diversify it. There are tons of Vietnamese in nails, my uncle and mother included. I don't see people saying that there should be other race within such jobs. You can argue that it's not a great jobs but what about nursing?
We can encourage more women and minority within a field which is fine. But to make it seems like a problem is a problem. Because of this people such as women will use this as an excuse. Look at the CEO of Reddit, she used this and sexism as an excuse.
So before we jump the gun and say such thing such as racist and sexist, we should carefully find the cause and not jump the gun. We do not know if this is intentional or an unintentional the consequences of culture.
I mean hell there's a lot of Asian going to university and a lot of less other color such as Black. Is it because Asian are racist against other races? No, it's culture and the Pew report for Asian Americans have backed this up. That Asian American parent believe an education is important.
- random854 12y agoRead 'Unlocking the Clubhouse' (in regard to women.) It's dated but more recent research has similar conclusions. I can't speak personally about race issues in tech. What I do know is that the industry thrives on ideas, and as people themselves have diverse ideas, missing an entire group's is missing a lot. Why isn't the field more racially diverse? Are black people 'naturally not interested in tech'? Or do they face social barriers others don't? What I know leads me to believe the latter.
- jrs99 12y agowhy even bother with someone who claims they've never seen research that proves discrimination in tech? That there's no discrimination against blacks who want to open up small businesses? Or claims that no one wants to diversify nursing? Less than a minute on google and I've found research that concludes there is discrimination in tech, that blacks face discrimination from banks when starting small businesses, and a handful of articles about diversity in nursing just on the first page of google results for that topic.
- vacri 12y agoBecause of this people such as women will use this as an excuse 'people such as women'? Poe's Law has bested me on this one.
- digitalzombie 12y agoSorry ESL, I was setting this up to talk about how the CEO of Reddit was using this as an excuse in her law suit. "such as some women like CEO of Reddit" would be better. The original does make it seems like all women.
- kaybe 12y agohttps://www.nber.org/papers/w5903 https://www.nber.org/papers/w5903 Have a paper from 1997. It's about how after they changed to blind auditions, the number of women hired as orchestra musicians rose severalfold. I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions.
- yummyfajitas 12y agoMost diversity activists in tech oppose bringing such approaches into tech on the grounds that it would reduce diversity. Ashe Dryden is the canonical cite: http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/the-ethics-of-unpaid-labor-and-the-oss-community http://www.ashedryden.com/blog/the-ethics-of-unpaid-labor-an... In contrast, I think most of those who oppose the diversity activists (e.g. myself) strongly favor such approaches ("death by standardized brainteaser", hire by github, work sample tests).
- hluska 12y agoI wanted to avoid replying to you. Our perspective is dramatically different and I am tired of arguing with people like you who 'oppose diversity activists'. However, did you even read the article that you linked to?? Someone posted a link showing that if you blindfold people (so they just listen to how people play), you end up with more women in orchestras. The Ashe Dryden article is about how using open source contributions as a sole barometer of 'merit' leaves an awful lot of talented people out in the cold. The only point where she mentions anything close to your point is when she says that many female developers use androgynous sounding names and won't put pictures of themselves online.
- yummyfajitas 12y agoI'm familiar with orchestral blind auditions and the effect they had (though not from the article, my mom is a classical musician). I favor using blind auditions to eliminate bias. I favor the same in tech. My claim is that most activists in tech don't really believe that bias is the cause of underrepresentation here. As evidence for that, observe how few such activists actually favor purely meritocratic hiring.
- JoeAltmaier 12y agoAny group tends to recruit like members. Its human nature. Even the much-applauded hiring criterion of "they have to be a team fit" just means "they have to be like us" which probably means male, upper-middle-class white college kid. So there's the whole problem right there. Never mind right or wrong. Its just statistics and bias in group dynamics, nothing more.