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There is a difference in practice: first France will become a digital police state by law, judges will be out of the loop, it may help to dodge the current pros

There is a difference in practice: first France will become a digital police state by law, judges will be out of the loop, it may help to dodge the current prosecutions by the human rights league and international federation of human rights and lastly it will introduce a global and permanent surveillance with dpi of the like that France has sold to Myanman, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kazakhstan and other places. Additionally part of the IT industry will relocate itself outside of France to continue to exist. As France is in the middle of a multi year process of replacing the copper network with optical fiber, it means that France is on the path for a 50 years additional delay before the digital world changes its society right when France was catching up. Lastly the practical difference is that this law may push the country to the far right extremist nationalist and racist party Front National at the next elections, which would inherit of those tools and have everything to turn France in a totalitarian state. On a side note, this law has spawned a reboot France movement which aims at leveraging the Internet and crowndfunding to get change the whole political system to an actual democracy based on the internet: http://rebootlafrance.fr http://rebootlafrance.fr

mercurial 12y ago
> There is a difference in practice: first France will become a digital police state by law, judges will be out of the loop, it may help to dodge the current prosecutions by the human rights league and international federation of human rights and lastly it will introduce a global and permanent surveillance with dpi of the like that France has sold to Myanman, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kazakhstan and other places. Additionally part of the IT industry will relocate itself outside of France to continue to exist. I am under the impression that the law is about legalizing what the state is already doing. Did I miss something? As France is in the middle of a multi year process of replacing the copper network with optical fiber, it means that France is on the path for a 50 years additional delay before the digital world changes its society right when France was catching up. I am not sure what you mean by this. > Lastly the practical difference is that this law may push the country to the far right extremist nationalist and racist party Front National at the next elections, which would inherit of those tools and have everything to turn France in a totalitarian state. Don't they already have that? > On a side note, this law has spawned a reboot France movement which aims at leveraging the Internet and crowndfunding to get change the whole political system to an actual democracy based on the internet: http://rebootlafrance.fr http://rebootlafrance.fr They certainly have good intentions, but they sound like a small band of young geeks with little knowledge of politics and no funding. I am not convinced the issue will be solved by yet one more tiny political party. >
- Lafcadio 12y ago
  This movement reminds me of the French Pirate Party. They have a lot of goodwill but 1/ they do not agree on what shape to take in order to attain the goals they have defined 2/ they have no understanding of how organizations function in real life in regards to hierarchy, decision making or political action and 3/ they do not seem to get that their propositions are only appealing to a niche, meaning there is still a lot of groundwork to be done before acting at a party level. I don't see it gaining much traction and I think it will go the way the French Pirate Party with its very high turnover rate and its legendary infighting.
cm2187 12y ago
And this is combined with a nasty habit of judges being highly politicized and justice being used against political oponents. Both sides (conservatives and socialists) are pretty much equally guilty there. In fact we have even seen numerous occasions of judges prosecuting a political party, then resign, and take a high position in the opposite party. France has a very problematic justice system and giving them more authority is very unwise.
- rjaco31 12y ago
  Still, I don't think bypassing any justice overwatch on this is a better solution.
- fab13n 12y ago
  > nasty habit of judges being highly politicized I have quite a different perception, that judges do their job of not mixing law and politics pretty well, whereas politics try very hard and unashamedly to neutralize judges as counter-powers. Could you expand on what makes you think that French judges are highly politicized?
yannickt 12y ago
Why do you say that the Front National is racist?

mercurial 12y ago

> There is a difference in practice: first France will become a digital police state by law, judges will be out of the loop, it may help to dodge the current prosecutions by the human rights league and international federation of human rights and lastly it will introduce a global and permanent surveillance with dpi of the like that France has sold to Myanman, Libya, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kazakhstan and other places. Additionally part of the IT industry will relocate itself outside of France to continue to exist. I am under the impression that the law is about legalizing what the state is already doing. Did I miss something? As France is in the middle of a multi year process of replacing the copper network with optical fiber, it means that France is on the path for a 50 years additional delay before the digital world changes its society right when France was catching up. I am not sure what you mean by this. > Lastly the practical difference is that this law may push the country to the far right extremist nationalist and racist party Front National at the next elections, which would inherit of those tools and have everything to turn France in a totalitarian state. Don't they already have that? > On a side note, this law has spawned a reboot France movement which aims at leveraging the Internet and crowndfunding to get change the whole political system to an actual democracy based on the internet: http://rebootlafrance.fr http://rebootlafrance.fr They certainly have good intentions, but they sound like a small band of young geeks with little knowledge of politics and no funding. I am not convinced the issue will be solved by yet one more tiny political party. >

Lafcadio 12y ago
This movement reminds me of the French Pirate Party. They have a lot of goodwill but 1/ they do not agree on what shape to take in order to attain the goals they have defined 2/ they have no understanding of how organizations function in real life in regards to hierarchy, decision making or political action and 3/ they do not seem to get that their propositions are only appealing to a niche, meaning there is still a lot of groundwork to be done before acting at a party level. I don't see it gaining much traction and I think it will go the way the French Pirate Party with its very high turnover rate and its legendary infighting.

cm2187 12y ago

And this is combined with a nasty habit of judges being highly politicized and justice being used against political oponents. Both sides (conservatives and socialists) are pretty much equally guilty there. In fact we have even seen numerous occasions of judges prosecuting a political party, then resign, and take a high position in the opposite party. France has a very problematic justice system and giving them more authority is very unwise.

rjaco31 12y ago
Still, I don't think bypassing any justice overwatch on this is a better solution.
fab13n 12y ago
> nasty habit of judges being highly politicized I have quite a different perception, that judges do their job of not mixing law and politics pretty well, whereas politics try very hard and unashamedly to neutralize judges as counter-powers. Could you expand on what makes you think that French judges are highly politicized?

yannickt 12y ago

Why do you say that the Front National is racist?