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from future import print_function on python2 solves the print function incompat.

by guipsp 12y ago

from __future__ import print_function on python2 solves the print function incompat.

raverbashing 12y ago
Exactly this Why is changing 'print stuff' to 'print (stuff)' such a big deal? I think 2To3 solves a lot of print cases https://docs.python.org/2/library/2to3.html https://docs.python.org/2/library/2to3.html
- bufordsharkley 12y ago
  The print function is clearly a better, more precise way to handle it, to be sure... But the print statement was one prominent, attractive way that Python was essentially pseudocode-- its removal seems an improvement from a pedantic sense, but one that seems to run contrary to convenience and (perhaps) the expectations of a beginner.
  - TimSAstro 12y ago
    I disagree about this being worse for beginners - if we're teaching a new programmer about functions, surely a basic print function is a great introduction? Whereas before it was a one-off special case.
  - panglott 12y ago
    As a beginner, I ~hated~ the print statement. The print function had analogous syntax to all other functions, whereas the print statement always seemed to use some kludgy tricks.
- plesner 12y ago
  To what end though? It's a small thing sure but it's busywork. Why am I being asked to do busywork?
  - raverbashing 12y ago
    Yeah, I don't like the busywork that Pep8 makes me do it, and it's a lot, and some of it is stupid, but it has to be done You certainly don't have to do it if you don't want Python 3 and 2to3 makes it a lot easier
    - coldtea 12y ago
      >Yeah, I don't like the busywork that Pep8 makes me do it, and it's a lot, and some of it is stupid, but it has to be done Actually no, it hasn't. PEP8 is just a formatting standard, your code will work with your own standard too.
      - raverbashing 12y ago
        True, I meant this https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep8 https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep8
        alexchamberlain 12y ago
        Guido doesn't like that tool; they're guidelines, not rules.
        raverbashing 12y ago
        > Guido doesn't like that tool; they're guidelines, not rules. Yes, a lot of people need to get that memo I don't like it as well, but it keeps a group of developers in check. And it can be configured, so there's that as well Too bad autopep8 produces bad results out of the box

from __future__ import print_function on python2 solves the print function incompat.

by guipsp 12y ago

from __future__ import print_function on python2 solves the print function incompat.

Exactly this Why is changing 'print stuff' to 'print (stuff)' such a big deal? I think 2To3 solves a lot of print cases https://docs.python.org/2/library/2to3.html https://docs.python.org/2/library/2to3.html

bufordsharkley 12y ago
The print function is clearly a better, more precise way to handle it, to be sure... But the print statement was one prominent, attractive way that Python was essentially pseudocode-- its removal seems an improvement from a pedantic sense, but one that seems to run contrary to convenience and (perhaps) the expectations of a beginner.
- TimSAstro 12y ago
  I disagree about this being worse for beginners - if we're teaching a new programmer about functions, surely a basic print function is a great introduction? Whereas before it was a one-off special case.
- panglott 12y ago
  As a beginner, I ~hated~ the print statement. The print function had analogous syntax to all other functions, whereas the print statement always seemed to use some kludgy tricks.
plesner 12y ago
To what end though? It's a small thing sure but it's busywork. Why am I being asked to do busywork?
- raverbashing 12y ago
  Yeah, I don't like the busywork that Pep8 makes me do it, and it's a lot, and some of it is stupid, but it has to be done You certainly don't have to do it if you don't want Python 3 and 2to3 makes it a lot easier
  - coldtea 12y ago
    >Yeah, I don't like the busywork that Pep8 makes me do it, and it's a lot, and some of it is stupid, but it has to be done Actually no, it hasn't. PEP8 is just a formatting standard, your code will work with your own standard too.
    - raverbashing 12y ago
      True, I meant this https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep8 https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pep8
      - alexchamberlain 12y ago
        Guido doesn't like that tool; they're guidelines, not rules.
        raverbashing 12y ago
        > Guido doesn't like that tool; they're guidelines, not rules. Yes, a lot of people need to get that memo I don't like it as well, but it keeps a group of developers in check. And it can be configured, so there's that as well Too bad autopep8 produces bad results out of the box