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Fair enough, perhaps upvotes should be visible. Thanks

bhayden 12y ago
I think it's a deliberate choice on HN to not have it because it promotes hive-mind behavior/opinions. You can see your own comment's points for kicks though.
- URSpider94 12y ago
  Comment rankings used to be visible, but were removed. I have a feeling there's a discussion in the archives somewhere about the reasoning.
- newuser88273 12y ago
  Under that assumption, upvote should not be a way to voice agreement, as that implies that downvote is disagreement. But downvote leads to graying-out and disappearance, which is just perfect to induce the hive mind. And yes, downvoting into oblivion articulate comments not at all devoid of content really has become endemic here, and many (though certainly not all) of those I read anyway were obviously downvoted for disagreement, often political. The result is a strong hive mind at HN. (I've seen seen that opinion on HN voiced outside of HN more than once.)
  - rjaco31 12y ago
    > downvoting into oblivion articulate comments not at all devoid of content really has become endemic here, and many (though certainly not all) of those I read anyway were obviously downvoted for disagreement, often political Maybe I'm biased, but I personally had the opposite feeling, the majority of the comments I see grayed out are usually somehow aggressive/salty rants that don't really try to bring anything useful to the thread, and the few other ones are comments with technical details that are plain wrong.
    - newuser88273 12y ago
      I probably unconsciously undercount "legitimate" grey-outs, so... maybe. Still, you really can't have all three of these: (1) Votes to register (dis-)agreement and (2) very prominent visual effect of downvotes, yet (3) no hivemind induction. I'm not lobbying for changes. The whole up/downvote business is really hard, maybe there's no better way. Just thought people here might be interested in the fact that HN has been getting somewhat of a hivemind reputation, lately.

I think it's a deliberate choice on HN to not have it because it promotes hive-mind behavior/opinions. You can see your own comment's points for kicks though.

URSpider94 12y ago
Comment rankings used to be visible, but were removed. I have a feeling there's a discussion in the archives somewhere about the reasoning.
newuser88273 12y ago
Under that assumption, upvote should not be a way to voice agreement, as that implies that downvote is disagreement. But downvote leads to graying-out and disappearance, which is just perfect to induce the hive mind. And yes, downvoting into oblivion articulate comments not at all devoid of content really has become endemic here, and many (though certainly not all) of those I read anyway were obviously downvoted for disagreement, often political. The result is a strong hive mind at HN. (I've seen seen that opinion on HN voiced outside of HN more than once.)
- rjaco31 12y ago
  > downvoting into oblivion articulate comments not at all devoid of content really has become endemic here, and many (though certainly not all) of those I read anyway were obviously downvoted for disagreement, often political Maybe I'm biased, but I personally had the opposite feeling, the majority of the comments I see grayed out are usually somehow aggressive/salty rants that don't really try to bring anything useful to the thread, and the few other ones are comments with technical details that are plain wrong.
  - newuser88273 12y ago
    I probably unconsciously undercount "legitimate" grey-outs, so... maybe. Still, you really can't have all three of these: (1) Votes to register (dis-)agreement and (2) very prominent visual effect of downvotes, yet (3) no hivemind induction. I'm not lobbying for changes. The whole up/downvote business is really hard, maybe there's no better way. Just thought people here might be interested in the fact that HN has been getting somewhat of a hivemind reputation, lately.