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Nginx Plus seems like they took a lot of the obvious feature upgrades, some which look fairly easy (remove cached item) and put them in a pay wall. Nothing wron

Nginx Plus seems like they took a lot of the obvious feature upgrades, some which look fairly easy (remove cached item) and put them in a pay wall. Nothing wrong with that, just feels weird. And the pricing is enough to pay for a Windows license, not that IIS is even close to nginx (it's reverse proxy capability is terrible). I'm sad to hear about JS; I thought the work with Lua was going well and would be a better candidate. Maybe I misunderstand the situation. Nginx is one of those great tech that just makes so much more easy in my life.

xfalcox 12y ago
> I thought the work with Lua was going well The lua support is GREAT, and make a lot of complex stuff (standard outside authentication on multiple apps) simple as using a 20 lines lua script. Let's hope LUA doesn't fall to second class citizen.
- justincormack 12y ago
  Well it kind of is from the corporate point of view, as it is not "theirs", it is developed externally. In an open way, and has an open ecosystem of people who are probably not going to become Nginx customers.
- ufo 12y ago
  just to nitpick: Lua is not an acronym. It means Moon in Portuguese.
astrodust 12y ago
Lua is a great scripting language in its own right, but the trouble is it's not JavaScript which at this time has an extraordinary amount of momentum behind it. You can use JavaScript inside Postgres, for example, which makes it extremely versatile as a glue language for back-end services. Lua has nowhere near the traction or support. Is there a C++ to Lua compiler that produces performant code when using an asm.js-like layer? Is Lua Rocks anywhere near the breadth and depth of NPM? I don't know a single Lua programmer, but I can't throw a rock without hitting someone who knows JavaScript. It's something you'll pick up eventually even if you don't want to.
- pygy_ 12y ago
  JS is definitely more popular, but you can run Lua inside PosgreSQL as well, and I fail to see the point of asm.js on the server. You can pick up Lua in a day if you can already program, by reading Roberto Ierusalimschi's Programming in Lua.
- fweespeech 12y ago
  Many applications (e.g. Redis) are designed to work with Lua scripts out of the box. If you label yourself a "javascript" or "lua" programmer, that is a bigger problem imo than which scripting language you need to use.
  - astrodust 12y ago
    I'm not going after labels here, I think programmers should be able to tackle new languages, however libraries don't magically switch from one language to another. If you've got a lot of JavaScript code, or you want to use NPM, you can't use Lua.
    - fweespeech 12y ago
      > I'm not going after labels here, I think programmers should be able to tackle new languages, however libraries don't magically switch from one language to another. What does javascript have in NPM that is so awesome it isn't easily replicated and/or already existing in a lua implementation? I honestly don't know a single NPM library I'd use that I don't know the Lua equivalent or Python equivalent or PHP equivalent. :/ > If you've got a lot of JavaScript code, or you want to use NPM, you can't use Lua. Well, yes, if you have an existing Node.js codebase you want to port its great. However, you made the original claim that: "Lua has nowhere near the traction or support." Lua is in Postgres, Redis, Nginx [already supported!] You've got Cassandra lua implementations that try to boilerplate an API for you: https://github.com/jbochi/lua-resty-cassandra https://github.com/jbochi/lua-resty-cassandra You've got a NPM style installer in the form of luarocks: https://rocks.moonscript.org/ https://rocks.moonscript.org/ I really just don't understand the claim that Lua has "nowhere near the transaction or support". Is there even one cache [e.g. Redis] that supports Javascript? I can't name any.
justizin 12y ago
> Nginx Plus seems like they took a lot of the obvious feature upgrades, some which look fairly easy (remove cached item) and put them in a pay wall. I had a chat during an interview with folks from the Nginx team recently and definitely got the impression they are putting a lot more thought into the separation of Plus than this. One of the key features is the ability to add/remove backends at runtime, as well as, IIRC, some failover capability that makes Nginx Plus a potential competitor for things like F5. Disclaimer: I am not associated with Nginx, except that I shook some folks hands, and I might have remembered something wrong. They went out of their way to illustrate to me, and I think they did, that Nginx Plus is more than just 'open core'. If you read the prior article, linked in this one, the original author of Nginx is allowed to expound on this himself. An experienced Ops team can assemble a number of open-source components and custom code to accomplish some of the more advanced functionality in Nginx Plus, but I think it's saving more than a couple hours of customization. :)
- toomuchtodo 12y ago
  > If you read the prior article, linked in this one, the original author of Nginx is allowed to expound on this himself. An experienced Ops team can assemble a number of open-source components and custom code to accomplish some of the more advanced functionality in Nginx Plus, but I think it's saving more than a couple hours of customization. :) Can you elaborate? I'm able to do almost everything with haproxy, including hot reloads, client-based SOA, frontend/backend traffic. I'm not sure what Nginx Plus gets me on top of that. Disclaimer: From an ops team.
hobarrera 12y ago
> Nothing wrong with that Quite arguable. Creating a paywalled version of a FLOSS product like this has never been seen well by the FLOSS community (especial when there's been so many contributors) and has actually been subject to a lot of controversy.

xfalcox 12y ago

> I thought the work with Lua was going well The lua support is GREAT, and make a lot of complex stuff (standard outside authentication on multiple apps) simple as using a 20 lines lua script. Let's hope LUA doesn't fall to second class citizen.

justincormack 12y ago
Well it kind of is from the corporate point of view, as it is not "theirs", it is developed externally. In an open way, and has an open ecosystem of people who are probably not going to become Nginx customers.
ufo 12y ago
just to nitpick: Lua is not an acronym. It means Moon in Portuguese.

astrodust 12y ago

Lua is a great scripting language in its own right, but the trouble is it's not JavaScript which at this time has an extraordinary amount of momentum behind it. You can use JavaScript inside Postgres, for example, which makes it extremely versatile as a glue language for back-end services. Lua has nowhere near the traction or support. Is there a C++ to Lua compiler that produces performant code when using an asm.js-like layer? Is Lua Rocks anywhere near the breadth and depth of NPM? I don't know a single Lua programmer, but I can't throw a rock without hitting someone who knows JavaScript. It's something you'll pick up eventually even if you don't want to.

pygy_ 12y ago
JS is definitely more popular, but you can run Lua inside PosgreSQL as well, and I fail to see the point of asm.js on the server. You can pick up Lua in a day if you can already program, by reading Roberto Ierusalimschi's Programming in Lua.
fweespeech 12y ago
Many applications (e.g. Redis) are designed to work with Lua scripts out of the box. If you label yourself a "javascript" or "lua" programmer, that is a bigger problem imo than which scripting language you need to use.
- astrodust 12y ago
  I'm not going after labels here, I think programmers should be able to tackle new languages, however libraries don't magically switch from one language to another. If you've got a lot of JavaScript code, or you want to use NPM, you can't use Lua.
  - fweespeech 12y ago
    > I'm not going after labels here, I think programmers should be able to tackle new languages, however libraries don't magically switch from one language to another. What does javascript have in NPM that is so awesome it isn't easily replicated and/or already existing in a lua implementation? I honestly don't know a single NPM library I'd use that I don't know the Lua equivalent or Python equivalent or PHP equivalent. :/ > If you've got a lot of JavaScript code, or you want to use NPM, you can't use Lua. Well, yes, if you have an existing Node.js codebase you want to port its great. However, you made the original claim that: "Lua has nowhere near the traction or support." Lua is in Postgres, Redis, Nginx [already supported!] You've got Cassandra lua implementations that try to boilerplate an API for you: https://github.com/jbochi/lua-resty-cassandra https://github.com/jbochi/lua-resty-cassandra You've got a NPM style installer in the form of luarocks: https://rocks.moonscript.org/ https://rocks.moonscript.org/ I really just don't understand the claim that Lua has "nowhere near the transaction or support". Is there even one cache [e.g. Redis] that supports Javascript? I can't name any.

justizin 12y ago

> Nginx Plus seems like they took a lot of the obvious feature upgrades, some which look fairly easy (remove cached item) and put them in a pay wall. I had a chat during an interview with folks from the Nginx team recently and definitely got the impression they are putting a lot more thought into the separation of Plus than this. One of the key features is the ability to add/remove backends at runtime, as well as, IIRC, some failover capability that makes Nginx Plus a potential competitor for things like F5. Disclaimer: I am not associated with Nginx, except that I shook some folks hands, and I might have remembered something wrong. They went out of their way to illustrate to me, and I think they did, that Nginx Plus is more than just 'open core'. If you read the prior article, linked in this one, the original author of Nginx is allowed to expound on this himself. An experienced Ops team can assemble a number of open-source components and custom code to accomplish some of the more advanced functionality in Nginx Plus, but I think it's saving more than a couple hours of customization. :)

toomuchtodo 12y ago
> If you read the prior article, linked in this one, the original author of Nginx is allowed to expound on this himself. An experienced Ops team can assemble a number of open-source components and custom code to accomplish some of the more advanced functionality in Nginx Plus, but I think it's saving more than a couple hours of customization. :) Can you elaborate? I'm able to do almost everything with haproxy, including hot reloads, client-based SOA, frontend/backend traffic. I'm not sure what Nginx Plus gets me on top of that. Disclaimer: From an ops team.

hobarrera 12y ago

> Nothing wrong with that Quite arguable. Creating a paywalled version of a FLOSS product like this has never been seen well by the FLOSS community (especial when there's been so many contributors) and has actually been subject to a lot of controversy.