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Unfunny April Fool's Joke from the Magic Lantern Developers

93 points by skazka16 12y ago

ChristianBundy 12y ago
At first I thought this was blown out of proportion, but the developer's comments are infuriating. When an issue was filed, the response was "can you post a video?" rather than "sorry, it's a joke – roll back for a fix". Even the official explanation is just the developer complaining about users being frustrated: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issue/2235/5dmk2-bricked-urgent-please#comment-17120450 https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issue/2235/5dmk2-...
- onion2k 12y ago
  Magic Lantern is designed to be as simple as possible - you stick a file on a memory card and that's it. ML is 'marketed' as something that 'just works'. The developer needs to understand that the people who'll use it are, essentially, IT newbies who won't always understand the need for backups, understand what a roll back is, and won't follow instructions. That means they won't necessarily understand the fix, and they will believe a message that says their camera is bricked. None of that means he shouldn't have played a joke on the users, but it definitely means he ought to have thought it through more. And, as you say, he should have had a much better response to people's understandably somewhat panicked reaction.
fabulist 12y ago
Definitely not a classy move; perhaps it would've been better to do it immediately on boot-up, with an error message like FOOLS_FAULT, and after a few seconds pop up a dialog that makes the "error" go away. "Your camera is now bricked" isn't exactly the message I'd like to send to my users.
mcafeeryan92 12y ago
Am I terrible for actually getting quite a chuckle reading this?
- alasarmas 12y ago
  Yes.
- socceroos 12y ago
  I thought it was good and had a chuckle myself.
  - Artemis2 12y ago
    It's not good at all, but the author of the post complaining is actually quite funny (sorry for your frustration if you read me!).
  - masters3d 12y ago
    "yes, its cool that ML is being used in a lot of serious stuff. we really love that. but we expect users to be prepared for the moment when ML is going nuts for some reason. this day will come."
- seszett 12y ago
  I thought that looked like a real April Fool's joke for once, unlike the loads of mildly amusing news stories that have become the standard on April 1st. The author could have told it straight away on the forum though, instead of going further and asking for a video.
minimaxir 12y ago
Why would anyone even write a bsod() function? That's tempting fate.
- pmjordan 12y ago
  You need SOME code to display debug info or at least a message when the processor encounters an unrecoverable exception. Otherwise all crashes would just freeze the system.
veidr 12y ago
Indeed, that's not funny. But I was born in 1974, and I have never actually seen or heard a funny April Fool's joke in my entire life.
- mahouse 12y ago
  Then you will love Hacker News.
swang 12y ago
Well this is depressing. I was always meaning to install ML, now I'm not sure I can trust the developer for doing something so stupid and not feeling and contrition for it. Is al3x also g3gg0? so a warning to everyone being pranked yesterday: you are not prepared for serious shooting with magic lantern, if this was a real problem to you. why? if you use ML for business make sure a failure, no matter if serious issues or not so serious (like yesterday) wont get you in trouble! - take ML-free backup-cards with you - make yourself confident with rescue procedures and how to temporary disable ML - ML, especially "latest" versions can introduce troublesome behavior yes, its cool that ML is being used in a lot of serious stuff. we really love that. but we expect users to be prepared for the moment when ML is going nuts for some reason. this day will come. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14850.msg143985#msg143985 http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14850.msg14... There is also a picture in that thread (scroll up).
- halayli 12y ago
  What makes you trust other devs? You don't know them nor their intentions.
  - swang 12y ago
    Not really a question about whether I trust other devs. It's more that these devs admitted to causing harm, and seem to think fooling their users is a good idea. Then when called out on it, they say, "people need to relax, just a joke bro, better be careful next time!" instead of just owning up to it and hopefully move on. Installing firmware onto thousand dollar machines is stressful enough, they shouldn't be "taught" a lesson just because the developers thought they should.
    - halviti 12y ago
      It's almost like every notable april fool's joke in history. There's always the guys that will say that lighting a bunch of tires on top of a mountain to fake a volcano eruption was irresponsible, but then again, these are the things we talk about decades later.
maaaats 12y ago
In some way, it's a lesson to not uncritically install whatever on your own devices. I install custom firmware on my Wi-Fi routers, my smartphone etc., never really thought about how it would affect me if it were to get bricked in the process.
yitchelle 12y ago
I remember a similar April's fools joke at one of my old workplace. This was the late 80s. Well, one morning, when I booted up my computer, it echoed out a message like "your computer has a virus" or something similar. The message was also showing up on a number of other computers. It caused panic and confusion in my workplace. It was a small company and computer knowledge was lacking. We shut all the computer off and called in some computer specialist to checkout the problem. It turned out that someone has modified autoexec.bat to echo the string out as an April's fools joke. Well, the manager was not happy and it caused the company a bit of money to recover. I think the person who did it was given a dismissal warning.
rukuu001 12y ago
Holy %$! that's bad. If you're paid to take photos, roll up to a gig with all the gear you tested yesterday, and get this...good god.
- reustle 12y ago
  If you're paid to take photos, you shouldn't be installing the latest nightly build of some free software on your camera.
nickysielicki 12y ago
This is hilarious to me and I won't apologize for saying that.
tempestn 12y ago
Totally not cool! Everyone knows April Fool's pranks have to end at noon...
SchizoDuckie 12y ago
That's a fucked up move..
happywolf 12y ago
The first line on ML: "Magic Lantern is a free firmware addon for Canon EOS DSLR cameras that adds a host of features to assist photographers and videographers." Read it again: it is free. If you really need QoS, pay someone to develop and code review the firmware. I am not being a troll, some people just have so much self-entitlement on something that is free.
- gone35 12y ago
  Well; it really depends on your jurisdiction, but you should know that there is such a thing as consumer protection and tort liability --yes, even for things you get for free, like FOSS. See for instance [1,2]. Also, in the specific case of FOSS, this kind of jackass-ery might soon come to an end anyway if/when the EU and UK follows through with their (relatively) recent moves to introduce stronger software liability provisions (eg [3]). [1] http://www.ifross.org/en/what-legal-standard-liability-and-warranty-germany http://www.ifross.org/en/what-legal-standard-liability-and-w... [2] http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/21st_century_issues/21st_century_law/open_source_legal_01.htm#D.%20TORT%20LIABILITYclayton http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/21st_cen... [3] http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/workspace/analysts-warn-[3] http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/workspace/analysts-warn-[3] vendors-on-software-liability-7284
  - happywolf 12y ago
    All these articles only mentioned the possibility of liability. [1] most probably translated from German, and I cannot really understand what the translated text means, so I have no comment. [2]: It doesn't say for sure one will be liable "it is difficult to determine with any certainty: (1) whether open source software licenses will be enforceable, (2) whether open source software copyright will be valid, or (3) whether open source software licenses will subject developers to tort liability." [3] is more on vendor, which quite specifically on transaction that carries monetary value. It is debatable if one still be regarded as vendor even if he doesn't sell stuff. I will give the article benefit of doubt. Truth be told, the first successful litigation basically will turn off most contributors: no one can be sure their codes are totally bug-free. Even if that person totally wants to do good.
chrxss 12y ago
LOL, looks like they made a fool out of you. 1st rule: be prepared fro April 1st 2nd rule: you cannot expect anything from free software on the internet, it is free after all
chavesn 12y ago
No, no one should be surprised that a nightly build had problems. Yes, users should know what they are getting into. No, the developer has no obligation to be held to a higher standard of reliability. Yes, the developer can really do whatever they want. With all that said, can we at least agree that this shows extremely poor judgment from an engineering and product sense? Not only is this a terrible way to achieve user trust, but it also doesn't make any users feel good. As a user, why would I want to use a product that wants to make a fool out of me and throw wrenches in a core feature for chuckles?
kuon 12y ago
While, as a developer, I love adding some easter eggs, I think this kind of joke is not funny and tarnishes the open source community reputation. An easter egg should make the user smiles and make him/her feels good and that the developer cares about the software. That one is just mean. While I can understand the developer making an error in not thinking it through and making the joke, the handling of the case on the forum should have been "I make a stupid joke, sorry, I'll make a fix right away, just rollback for now". To the people saying it's free software and the user is entitled to nothing, I'll just ask: "Is it the world you want?" a world where there is no trust and only the fear of being sued for money?
gareth44 12y ago
not in the slightest bit funny - al3x is a total idiot, and g3gg0's stupid defensive answer makes it even worse.
InclinedPlane 12y ago
A good natured "prank" is something you play on your friends, something they will laugh about instantly after it happened. When you make other people's misery the butt of your joke you're not being funny you're just being an asshole. It's little different from what a bully does.
carlob 12y ago
Am I the only one that finds it weird that the tm_mday field in the tm struct is the only one that starts from 1? I understand it doesn't make much sense to have tm_mday start from 0, but then again even 3 as April seems weird, maybe they should all start at 1. http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/time.h.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/time.h.ht...
- tzs 12y ago
  tm_mon and tm_wday are 0-based because the expectation was you'll probably be using than as an index in a lookup table to get a month name (e.g., "Jan", "Feb", ...) or day name (e.g., "Sun", "Mon", ...). For day of month, we don't have special names for them. We just use the day number. So tm_mday directly contains the day number.
  - carlob 12y ago
    That's right, but what about tm_yday then?
mTKUzaG3Kf 12y ago
Posting from a new account, as this is apparently so controversial it will probably get me shadowbanned. Seriously, just how humorless and gullible do you have to be to not understand that this was an April Fools' joke? First, BSoDs are specific to Windows OSes. OK, fair enough, non-tech people might not know this. But... "Take a photo of a calendar, focusing on today's date." If after reading this line you still don't understand that this is a joke, I feel sorry for you. The "rand() % 1000 == 13" probably causes the "BSoD" every time for the OP because the RNG is not properly seeded, which is the real problem here. I don't condone this joke or the developers' response, but I'm not going to blame them for anything either. The negativity in this thread, however...
- setpatchaddress 12y ago
  This is cruelty, not humor. Look at this from the perspective of a different profession: Why is it a problem if I'm a doctor and I put a non-lethal poison into every few flu shuts on April 1st? Because April Fools. This is how people who don't program view this sort of thing. You can say that you feel sorry for them, but, in reality, you lose, because they'll never trust you again. And they shouldn't.
Mithaldu 12y ago
I dislike the implication that any April Fools joke can be funny.
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edandersen 12y ago
Picture of the April Fool's prank: http://m.imgur.com/BeHi1H9 http://m.imgur.com/BeHi1H9
- Grue3 12y ago
  This is actually pretty funny. I mean, how can you not realize this is a joke?
  - reustle 12y ago
    It sounds legit up until the part where you're supposed to take a picture of todays date on a calendar
  - hanley 12y ago
    It's interesting that the author mentions only one of the the error codes (0x000000aa) but not 0xdeadbeef, which was an obvious giveaway to me that this isn't a real error.
adultSwim 12y ago
Demand a refund! Get over it. Seems pretty funny to me.

93 points by skazka16 12y ago

At first I thought this was blown out of proportion, but the developer's comments are infuriating. When an issue was filed, the response was "can you post a video?" rather than "sorry, it's a joke – roll back for a fix". Even the official explanation is just the developer complaining about users being frustrated: https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issue/2235/5dmk2-bricked-urgent-please#comment-17120450 https://bitbucket.org/hudson/magic-lantern/issue/2235/5dmk2-...

onion2k 12y ago
Magic Lantern is designed to be as simple as possible - you stick a file on a memory card and that's it. ML is 'marketed' as something that 'just works'. The developer needs to understand that the people who'll use it are, essentially, IT newbies who won't always understand the need for backups, understand what a roll back is, and won't follow instructions. That means they won't necessarily understand the fix, and they will believe a message that says their camera is bricked. None of that means he shouldn't have played a joke on the users, but it definitely means he ought to have thought it through more. And, as you say, he should have had a much better response to people's understandably somewhat panicked reaction.

fabulist 12y ago

Definitely not a classy move; perhaps it would've been better to do it immediately on boot-up, with an error message like FOOLS_FAULT, and after a few seconds pop up a dialog that makes the "error" go away. "Your camera is now bricked" isn't exactly the message I'd like to send to my users.

mcafeeryan92 12y ago

Am I terrible for actually getting quite a chuckle reading this?

alasarmas 12y ago
Yes.
socceroos 12y ago
I thought it was good and had a chuckle myself.
- Artemis2 12y ago
  It's not good at all, but the author of the post complaining is actually quite funny (sorry for your frustration if you read me!).
- masters3d 12y ago
  "yes, its cool that ML is being used in a lot of serious stuff. we really love that. but we expect users to be prepared for the moment when ML is going nuts for some reason. this day will come."
seszett 12y ago
I thought that looked like a real April Fool's joke for once, unlike the loads of mildly amusing news stories that have become the standard on April 1st. The author could have told it straight away on the forum though, instead of going further and asking for a video.

minimaxir 12y ago

Why would anyone even write a bsod() function? That's tempting fate.

pmjordan 12y ago
You need SOME code to display debug info or at least a message when the processor encounters an unrecoverable exception. Otherwise all crashes would just freeze the system.

veidr 12y ago

Indeed, that's not funny. But I was born in 1974, and I have never actually seen or heard a funny April Fool's joke in my entire life.

mahouse 12y ago
Then you will love Hacker News.

swang 12y ago

Well this is depressing. I was always meaning to install ML, now I'm not sure I can trust the developer for doing something so stupid and not feeling and contrition for it. Is al3x also g3gg0? so a warning to everyone being pranked yesterday: you are not prepared for serious shooting with magic lantern, if this was a real problem to you. why? if you use ML for business make sure a failure, no matter if serious issues or not so serious (like yesterday) wont get you in trouble! - take ML-free backup-cards with you - make yourself confident with rescue procedures and how to temporary disable ML - ML, especially "latest" versions can introduce troublesome behavior yes, its cool that ML is being used in a lot of serious stuff. we really love that. but we expect users to be prepared for the moment when ML is going nuts for some reason. this day will come. http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14850.msg143985#msg143985 http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=14850.msg14... There is also a picture in that thread (scroll up).

halayli 12y ago
What makes you trust other devs? You don't know them nor their intentions.
- swang 12y ago
  Not really a question about whether I trust other devs. It's more that these devs admitted to causing harm, and seem to think fooling their users is a good idea. Then when called out on it, they say, "people need to relax, just a joke bro, better be careful next time!" instead of just owning up to it and hopefully move on. Installing firmware onto thousand dollar machines is stressful enough, they shouldn't be "taught" a lesson just because the developers thought they should.
  - halviti 12y ago
    It's almost like every notable april fool's joke in history. There's always the guys that will say that lighting a bunch of tires on top of a mountain to fake a volcano eruption was irresponsible, but then again, these are the things we talk about decades later.

maaaats 12y ago

In some way, it's a lesson to not uncritically install whatever on your own devices. I install custom firmware on my Wi-Fi routers, my smartphone etc., never really thought about how it would affect me if it were to get bricked in the process.

yitchelle 12y ago

I remember a similar April's fools joke at one of my old workplace. This was the late 80s. Well, one morning, when I booted up my computer, it echoed out a message like "your computer has a virus" or something similar. The message was also showing up on a number of other computers. It caused panic and confusion in my workplace. It was a small company and computer knowledge was lacking. We shut all the computer off and called in some computer specialist to checkout the problem. It turned out that someone has modified autoexec.bat to echo the string out as an April's fools joke. Well, the manager was not happy and it caused the company a bit of money to recover. I think the person who did it was given a dismissal warning.

rukuu001 12y ago

Holy %$! that's bad. If you're paid to take photos, roll up to a gig with all the gear you tested yesterday, and get this...good god.

reustle 12y ago
If you're paid to take photos, you shouldn't be installing the latest nightly build of some free software on your camera.

nickysielicki 12y ago

This is hilarious to me and I won't apologize for saying that.

tempestn 12y ago

Totally not cool! Everyone knows April Fool's pranks have to end at noon...

SchizoDuckie 12y ago

That's a fucked up move..

happywolf 12y ago

The first line on ML: "Magic Lantern is a free firmware addon for Canon EOS DSLR cameras that adds a host of features to assist photographers and videographers." Read it again: it is free. If you really need QoS, pay someone to develop and code review the firmware. I am not being a troll, some people just have so much self-entitlement on something that is free.

gone35 12y ago
Well; it really depends on your jurisdiction, but you should know that there is such a thing as consumer protection and tort liability --yes, even for things you get for free, like FOSS. See for instance [1,2]. Also, in the specific case of FOSS, this kind of jackass-ery might soon come to an end anyway if/when the EU and UK follows through with their (relatively) recent moves to introduce stronger software liability provisions (eg [3]). [1] http://www.ifross.org/en/what-legal-standard-liability-and-warranty-germany http://www.ifross.org/en/what-legal-standard-liability-and-w... [2] http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/21st_century_issues/21st_century_law/open_source_legal_01.htm#D.%20TORT%20LIABILITYclayton http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/21st_cen... [3] http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/workspace/analysts-warn-[3] http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/workspace/analysts-warn-[3] vendors-on-software-liability-7284
- happywolf 12y ago
  All these articles only mentioned the possibility of liability. [1] most probably translated from German, and I cannot really understand what the translated text means, so I have no comment. [2]: It doesn't say for sure one will be liable "it is difficult to determine with any certainty: (1) whether open source software licenses will be enforceable, (2) whether open source software copyright will be valid, or (3) whether open source software licenses will subject developers to tort liability." [3] is more on vendor, which quite specifically on transaction that carries monetary value. It is debatable if one still be regarded as vendor even if he doesn't sell stuff. I will give the article benefit of doubt. Truth be told, the first successful litigation basically will turn off most contributors: no one can be sure their codes are totally bug-free. Even if that person totally wants to do good.

chrxss 12y ago

LOL, looks like they made a fool out of you. 1st rule: be prepared fro April 1st 2nd rule: you cannot expect anything from free software on the internet, it is free after all

chavesn 12y ago

No, no one should be surprised that a nightly build had problems. Yes, users should know what they are getting into. No, the developer has no obligation to be held to a higher standard of reliability. Yes, the developer can really do whatever they want. With all that said, can we at least agree that this shows extremely poor judgment from an engineering and product sense? Not only is this a terrible way to achieve user trust, but it also doesn't make any users feel good. As a user, why would I want to use a product that wants to make a fool out of me and throw wrenches in a core feature for chuckles?

kuon 12y ago

While, as a developer, I love adding some easter eggs, I think this kind of joke is not funny and tarnishes the open source community reputation. An easter egg should make the user smiles and make him/her feels good and that the developer cares about the software. That one is just mean. While I can understand the developer making an error in not thinking it through and making the joke, the handling of the case on the forum should have been "I make a stupid joke, sorry, I'll make a fix right away, just rollback for now". To the people saying it's free software and the user is entitled to nothing, I'll just ask: "Is it the world you want?" a world where there is no trust and only the fear of being sued for money?

gareth44 12y ago

not in the slightest bit funny - al3x is a total idiot, and g3gg0's stupid defensive answer makes it even worse.

InclinedPlane 12y ago

A good natured "prank" is something you play on your friends, something they will laugh about instantly after it happened. When you make other people's misery the butt of your joke you're not being funny you're just being an asshole. It's little different from what a bully does.

carlob 12y ago

Am I the only one that finds it weird that the tm_mday field in the tm struct is the only one that starts from 1? I understand it doesn't make much sense to have tm_mday start from 0, but then again even 3 as April seems weird, maybe they should all start at 1. http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/time.h.html http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908775/xsh/time.h.ht...

tzs 12y ago
tm_mon and tm_wday are 0-based because the expectation was you'll probably be using than as an index in a lookup table to get a month name (e.g., "Jan", "Feb", ...) or day name (e.g., "Sun", "Mon", ...). For day of month, we don't have special names for them. We just use the day number. So tm_mday directly contains the day number.
- carlob 12y ago
  That's right, but what about tm_yday then?

mTKUzaG3Kf 12y ago

Posting from a new account, as this is apparently so controversial it will probably get me shadowbanned. Seriously, just how humorless and gullible do you have to be to not understand that this was an April Fools' joke? First, BSoDs are specific to Windows OSes. OK, fair enough, non-tech people might not know this. But... "Take a photo of a calendar, focusing on today's date." If after reading this line you still don't understand that this is a joke, I feel sorry for you. The "rand() % 1000 == 13" probably causes the "BSoD" every time for the OP because the RNG is not properly seeded, which is the real problem here. I don't condone this joke or the developers' response, but I'm not going to blame them for anything either. The negativity in this thread, however...

setpatchaddress 12y ago
This is cruelty, not humor. Look at this from the perspective of a different profession: Why is it a problem if I'm a doctor and I put a non-lethal poison into every few flu shuts on April 1st? Because April Fools. This is how people who don't program view this sort of thing. You can say that you feel sorry for them, but, in reality, you lose, because they'll never trust you again. And they shouldn't.

Mithaldu 12y ago

I dislike the implication that any April Fools joke can be funny.

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edandersen 12y ago

Picture of the April Fool's prank: http://m.imgur.com/BeHi1H9 http://m.imgur.com/BeHi1H9

Grue3 12y ago
This is actually pretty funny. I mean, how can you not realize this is a joke?
- reustle 12y ago
  It sounds legit up until the part where you're supposed to take a picture of todays date on a calendar
- hanley 12y ago
  It's interesting that the author mentions only one of the the error codes (0x000000aa) but not 0xdeadbeef, which was an obvious giveaway to me that this isn't a real error.

adultSwim 12y ago

Demand a refund! Get over it. Seems pretty funny to me.