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Why is the Spanish Congress doing this? What are the long term goals?

intopieces 12y ago
Spain has 25%+ unemployment and has for a long time. Measures like this are to prevent riots (this is their logic - not making a statement about the validity of the law itself)
- JulianMorrison 12y ago
  Laws don't prevent riots. If anything the opposite, they bottle anger until it explodes. But they do make it easier to demonize rioters.
  - intopieces 12y ago
    Sometimes they do. For example, in Spain, they protested with holograms instead of with their bodies because of a law the banned protests outside of public buildings.
    - pvaldes 12y ago
      This is not a valid example. You said it. They protested, pacifically, and now they can't. A protest is a basic right that is (was?) granted by the constitution. When pacific protest is automatically equaled to riot, just because, then we have a big problem here: Constitution is not legal anymore.
    - KajMagnus 12y ago
      That's not a valid example. The laws didn't stop any protest, instead they caused a hologram protest — that protest wouldn't have happened at all, were it not for the laws.
- KajMagnus 12y ago
  Something I'm thinking is unrelated to preventing riots, is forbidding people to take pictures of or record the police. Why will that be forbidden? ("Photographing or recording police – 600 to 30.000€ fine") I'm thinking that when one isn't allowed to take pictures of or record the police, then badly behaving policemen can beat up anyone and everyone, and do anything they want, with impunity, since it will be hard to show that the police did anything wrong or who did it.
pjc50 12y ago
Prevent the rise of Podemos and other anti-austerity groups, presumably.
Johnny_Brahms 12y ago
Well, the PP (the ones in power now) has been getting increasingly nationalist. In Europe, this is generally the kind of policies that the "new right" has. This is actually the watered down version of the bill...

Spain has 25%+ unemployment and has for a long time. Measures like this are to prevent riots (this is their logic - not making a statement about the validity of the law itself)

JulianMorrison 12y ago
Laws don't prevent riots. If anything the opposite, they bottle anger until it explodes. But they do make it easier to demonize rioters.
- intopieces 12y ago
  Sometimes they do. For example, in Spain, they protested with holograms instead of with their bodies because of a law the banned protests outside of public buildings.
  - pvaldes 12y ago
    This is not a valid example. You said it. They protested, pacifically, and now they can't. A protest is a basic right that is (was?) granted by the constitution. When pacific protest is automatically equaled to riot, just because, then we have a big problem here: Constitution is not legal anymore.
  - KajMagnus 12y ago
    That's not a valid example. The laws didn't stop any protest, instead they caused a hologram protest — that protest wouldn't have happened at all, were it not for the laws.
KajMagnus 12y ago
Something I'm thinking is unrelated to preventing riots, is forbidding people to take pictures of or record the police. Why will that be forbidden? ("Photographing or recording police – 600 to 30.000€ fine") I'm thinking that when one isn't allowed to take pictures of or record the police, then badly behaving policemen can beat up anyone and everyone, and do anything they want, with impunity, since it will be hard to show that the police did anything wrong or who did it.

pjc50 12y ago

Prevent the rise of Podemos and other anti-austerity groups, presumably.

Johnny_Brahms 12y ago

Well, the PP (the ones in power now) has been getting increasingly nationalist. In Europe, this is generally the kind of policies that the "new right" has. This is actually the watered down version of the bill...