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Adobe needs to kill Flash once and for all

8 points by techdog 11y ago

vezycash 11y ago
A bad programmer would find a way to write an unsafe, bug ridden program regardless of the programming language's safety features - even Haskell. Kill flash, kill flash and your browser will still freeze with rouge JavaScript/html5 animations. At least with flash, you can easily turn it off without losing 20% functionality on most sites. Turn off JavaScript and you would lose more than 80% usability on most sites including Facebook. Btw, in early 2000's sites were going crazy with flash only sites. The same is happening right now - sites that won't work if JavaScript is turned off. If Adobe kills flash, your browser will still crash, use 100% CPU. Hence won't change a thing. In fact would be worse because you can't turn it off.
- agumonkey 11y ago
  The progressive degradation / enhancement trend has definitely faded away. Nowadays it's far too often all (js) or nothing.
  - vezycash 11y ago
    Flash on mobile would have worked - even on iPhone but it didn't for a few simple business reasons. Control - Jobs wanted every semblance of an "app" to go through the app store. Flash would have wrestled control of the iPhone from Apple. Summary - with this view, Jobs advocated HTML simply because it was crippled. I couldn't pull out better arguments for the ffg: 1. cost - using bigger batteries and cpu would have solved the problem. 2. Reflow - flash apps written for desktop wouldn't look good on mobile. At the end of the day, companies spin announcement to suit their own (unannounced) agendas.
jleahy 11y ago
Wow you have to subscribe to their mailing list to view any page on that blog, that's pretty unpleasant.
- davidgerard 11y ago
  Now if it was a blog post "Google needs to kill lightboxes once and for all" ...
orf 11y ago
I don't have flash installed at all. I don't miss it, there are a few sites that require it for some stuff (Facebook I'm looking at you) but in general I haven't missed it. Good riddance.

8 points by techdog 11y ago

A bad programmer would find a way to write an unsafe, bug ridden program regardless of the programming language's safety features - even Haskell. Kill flash, kill flash and your browser will still freeze with rouge JavaScript/html5 animations. At least with flash, you can easily turn it off without losing 20% functionality on most sites. Turn off JavaScript and you would lose more than 80% usability on most sites including Facebook. Btw, in early 2000's sites were going crazy with flash only sites. The same is happening right now - sites that won't work if JavaScript is turned off. If Adobe kills flash, your browser will still crash, use 100% CPU. Hence won't change a thing. In fact would be worse because you can't turn it off.

agumonkey 11y ago
The progressive degradation / enhancement trend has definitely faded away. Nowadays it's far too often all (js) or nothing.
- vezycash 11y ago
  Flash on mobile would have worked - even on iPhone but it didn't for a few simple business reasons. Control - Jobs wanted every semblance of an "app" to go through the app store. Flash would have wrestled control of the iPhone from Apple. Summary - with this view, Jobs advocated HTML simply because it was crippled. I couldn't pull out better arguments for the ffg: 1. cost - using bigger batteries and cpu would have solved the problem. 2. Reflow - flash apps written for desktop wouldn't look good on mobile. At the end of the day, companies spin announcement to suit their own (unannounced) agendas.

jleahy 11y ago

Wow you have to subscribe to their mailing list to view any page on that blog, that's pretty unpleasant.

davidgerard 11y ago
Now if it was a blog post "Google needs to kill lightboxes once and for all" ...

orf 11y ago

I don't have flash installed at all. I don't miss it, there are a few sites that require it for some stuff (Facebook I'm looking at you) but in general I haven't missed it. Good riddance.