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It seems like you're grasping at straws. Good luck finding a single human anywhere that isn't biased in some way. I'm also not aware of any Libertarian Cabal do

It seems like you're grasping at straws. Good luck finding a single human anywhere that isn't biased in some way. I'm also not aware of any Libertarian Cabal documents stating that nobody with vaguely libertarian views can have a religion, or that in having a religion one is so tainted as to be unable to compartmentalize one's personal and professional lives.

morgante 12y ago
I never said libertarians can't be religious. Rather, it's a fundamental tenant of libertarianism that you should not use the organ of government to enforce your religious views on others. On numerous occasions, Paul has referenced religious motivations for creating social policies. For example, he is opposed to same-sex marriage because it "offends him." Paul is not a libertarian. He's just a standard anti-Federalist Republican.
- joshuapants 12y ago
  Do please show me where he's proposed banning same-sex marriage and not simply stated his personal distaste for it.
  - morgante 12y ago
    Here's one source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditches-federalism-for-fundamentalism-on-gay-marriage.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditche... My favorite quote from that (showing how intellectually dishonest Paul really is): "The First Amendment says keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."
    - joshuapants 12y ago
      I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I wanted to see an example of him proposing a policy that would proscribe same-sex marriage in contrast with his statements that he is personally uncomfortable with it. You have offered only the latter.
- yummyfajitas 12y ago
  "I believe in old-fashioned traditional marriage but I don't really think the government needs to be too involved in this..." http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/219672-rand-paul-shrugs-when-asked-if-he-could-rethink-gay http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/21967... "Senator Paul believes marriage is an issue that should be dealt with at the state level,” political adviser Doug Stafford told The Daily Beast. “Nothing about his position has changed." Stafford later added: "Senator Paul does not want his guns or his marriage registered in Washington. He has said this repeatedly and consistently. Marriage is not a federal issue. It is an issue for state and local governments to deal with." http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditches-federalism-for-fundamentalism-on-gay-marriage.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditche... According to the second quote, Paul is also opposed to federal opposite-sex marriage. That's pretty much a standard libertarian position.
  - XorNot 12y ago
    In other words he told positions which conveniently would be enforced by not interfering with the status quo. Why is state government the only acceptable level of government interference in citizens private lives?
    - SamReidHughes 12y ago
      That way government more closely follows the will of the people when people have geographically non-uniform distribution of what they want in government. For example, if 60% of Maryland wants children to be banned from playing outside while 40% of Pennsylvania does, it more closely matches the will of the people if Maryland bans it and Pennsylvania doesn't, instead of having the feds ban it or ban states from banning it. Not that "will of the people" democratic mysticism is a good justification for anything.
      - XorNot 12y ago
        Ah, so tyranny of the majority all round then?

morgante 12y ago

I never said libertarians can't be religious. Rather, it's a fundamental tenant of libertarianism that you should not use the organ of government to enforce your religious views on others. On numerous occasions, Paul has referenced religious motivations for creating social policies. For example, he is opposed to same-sex marriage because it "offends him." Paul is not a libertarian. He's just a standard anti-Federalist Republican.

joshuapants 12y ago
Do please show me where he's proposed banning same-sex marriage and not simply stated his personal distaste for it.
- morgante 12y ago
  Here's one source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditches-federalism-for-fundamentalism-on-gay-marriage.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditche... My favorite quote from that (showing how intellectually dishonest Paul really is): "The First Amendment says keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."
  - joshuapants 12y ago
    I'm sorry, you must have misunderstood me. I wanted to see an example of him proposing a policy that would proscribe same-sex marriage in contrast with his statements that he is personally uncomfortable with it. You have offered only the latter.
yummyfajitas 12y ago
"I believe in old-fashioned traditional marriage but I don't really think the government needs to be too involved in this..." http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/219672-rand-paul-shrugs-when-asked-if-he-could-rethink-gay http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/21967... "Senator Paul believes marriage is an issue that should be dealt with at the state level,” political adviser Doug Stafford told The Daily Beast. “Nothing about his position has changed." Stafford later added: "Senator Paul does not want his guns or his marriage registered in Washington. He has said this repeatedly and consistently. Marriage is not a federal issue. It is an issue for state and local governments to deal with." http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditches-federalism-for-fundamentalism-on-gay-marriage.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/28/rand-ditche... According to the second quote, Paul is also opposed to federal opposite-sex marriage. That's pretty much a standard libertarian position.
- XorNot 12y ago
  In other words he told positions which conveniently would be enforced by not interfering with the status quo. Why is state government the only acceptable level of government interference in citizens private lives?
  - SamReidHughes 12y ago
    That way government more closely follows the will of the people when people have geographically non-uniform distribution of what they want in government. For example, if 60% of Maryland wants children to be banned from playing outside while 40% of Pennsylvania does, it more closely matches the will of the people if Maryland bans it and Pennsylvania doesn't, instead of having the feds ban it or ban states from banning it. Not that "will of the people" democratic mysticism is a good justification for anything.
    - XorNot 12y ago
      Ah, so tyranny of the majority all round then?